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mamcx · Guest

Ok, this is simply a idea, and I know that can be refined a little. Is
not necesary a order to Borland, but maybe a idea that can be considered.

The trouble with Beta software is that you never know if the user REALLY
beta-testing it. So, you waste a lot of time. In that sense, a closed
beta testing is more pragmatic. Or the user test it, but that not REALLY
traslate to something usefull... but this time, we have a better way to
know...

So, I think in that *can be* a good idea for the next Delphi release
provide a kind of reward to the people that provide QC input. The reason
on this? The person that report the trouble a)Is more close to the
problem b)Can be more motivated to see if is fixed c) Can get a reward
for your effort (ie: Have the new toy in their hands). This obviously is
after the normal beta period, and the trouble about the people simply
complain is minimized: I think that the people that provide good QC
reports prove that are polite enough... and maybe is a more focused effort:

For example some people have memory issues and put time in debug, change
memory managers, check leaks, etc... I don't know about that stuff... is
not my trouble, no matter if I can understand is important, if I get the
beta or the REAL thing, I don't can add nothing about this. But the
people that do that, can. Or the people that NEED a working DB driver,
hunt the code, debug it, etc...

I think make sense that the people that Beta test a product be the
people that participate in report, debug/workaround against troubles,
and because are interesed in see your own troubles fixed and are more
close to the problems, can continue in enchance the QC cases if is
requiered...

Dave Nottage [TeamB] · Guest

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BaSS · Guest

You guys seem to assume Borland actually has the resources to fix reported
problems.
Did I miss something?

Will DeWitt Jr. · Guest

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J. Lee · Guest

Hi,

In my opinion, beta testing wouldn't have helped much. It is clear (to me)
that a significant problem with D2005 was market/corporate related and not
with the dev team, etc.; however, we as developers, oops, I mean *paying
customers* (not Borland shareholders, not Borland employees, not experts in
economics or corporate politics, not pundits, not armchair quarterbacks)
need to put up or shut up. We either need to use Quality Central or tell
Borland that Quality Central doesn't work for us. We either need to vote
for bug fixes or vote for new features, in my opinion, Borland is not
willing to commit enough resources for both to a reasonable degree. It seems
that Borland corporate executives want Delphi to be a cash cow like Office
is to Microsoft (change a menu color/effect and call it a new version),
while the Delphi dev team has higher hopes.

We need a way of telling Borland we like new features, insofar as they are
tested, debugged, and fixed. To me, an application with 10 solid as rock
features is better than an application with 20 bug-ridden features. So how
do we go about telling Borland we are ready for a rock solid Delphi with
IDE, VCL, compiler, etc. fixes, rather than new features?

As an IT director, I've learned that you can have a great computerized
system, but if all stakeholders don't adopt the system and use it, it
becomes inaccurate, untrustworthy, and useless (other than becoming a pawn
in a blame game). Is Quality Central at that stage? It's a great
system.....but......

If 100,000 customers purchase Delphi, but only 5,000 use Quality Central
does that mean that only 5,000 customers care? Of course not... I'd say that
100,000 customers care, but maybe 95,000 of them expect this stuff to work
out of the box (within reason). I think it is safe to assume that when
people make feature requests, they mean *working* features. How many of you,
like me, previously assumed that with each new release of Delphi, VCL bug
fixes from the previous release were also fixed? Yes, some are, but
apparently a great many aren't. I'm a Delphi fanatic (versions 1 - 9) and
it's just really sad the direct things have taken since D7 (yes, to those
keeping track, I too bought D8 because of Kylix and D7 included; like most,
I received the package, stripped out Kylix and D7, then threw away the
rest).

~J. Lee

Johnnie Norsworthy · Guest

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Didier Largange · Guest