BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  About Post "It actually happened!" Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message John McLaine Guest Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 12:02 am    Post subject: About Post "It actually happened!" Att: Mr Peter Morris. Well, I am not very sure if you are serious or not about what you sayed in your post .... but let met drop a few lines about D2005. D2005 hangs ALWAYS, I mean it seems that it has a TTimer active with an interval of 300000 that purposely shows up a Exception, turns readonly a unit, just terminates the IDE silently .. etc..etc.. Object Inspector "eats" sometimes properties of a component, where property "name" was, suddenly it appears "top", so you where thinking you where writing the component name and suddenly after pressing enter you get a "Invalid Integer Value". Also it loses the middle line position (the line that splits the property name and the property values) so each time close the IDE and reopen it, this line is Randomly positioned. Code Insight does not behave well when working with records. It does not show 2 level and above, records members. At all my projects I use 4 o 5 level records, with Delphi 7 it works like a charm.. now.. when you press CTRL space.. you get the "infinite white" I mean absolutely nothing. Code Insight needs clues when looking for example, ordinal names, if you for example have a Ordinal named "cnt_Test",if you press ctrl space and then write "cnt_" nothing is suggested, but if you write first "cnt_" and the press ctrl space then suddenly "cnt_Test" appear... crazy. It is slow. Switching between units is a pain. Writing code is hell, each time I write some lines, the cursor turns to "clock" some seconds (some activity?? happens maybe) so I can't write no code until it stops. In undocked mode when moving the form, you feel like playing Quake3 with a 486 ( I have a nvidia Geoforce 5 256 mg). If you add a new component to a form, it takes about 10 seconds since you clicked it at the "component palette" since it appears on the form the first time you acces this component. The component palette is alive. If you organize your comps in customized tabs, move them here and there,an then you recompile a design package that registers a component into the palette the whole customization is deleted, defaults are applied. It eats Memory. My PIV 3,2 is just in pain every time I execute D2005. I have 1 Gig of ram (sorry, 700 Mg ram , delphi eats 300) and I feel like being using a Pentium 66. D2005 dissapers from the task switch or it alters the entire Z order of the windows, so that sometimes when you press ALT+TAB it is not listed... or it stucks at the topmost of all windows, or even ALT+TAB function does not work any more. Docked windows (object Inspector, component palette, project manager) when autohidden, randomly get as wide as the screen when they reapear, so you have to resize them manually again to position them correctly. And believe me there are more issues I don't write in here to make this post more borring at it is... .... and yes.. I have installed all three SP's, unofficial patches, JED's configuration manager .... etc..etc.. You can not be serious when you state that D2005 is stable... just have a look at QC, it is impossible that all those QC reports are wrong. Regards. John. Back to top Robin Guest Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 12:09 am    Post subject: Re: About Post "It actually happened!" John McLaine wrote: Quote: Att: Mr Peter Morris. ...................... You can not be serious when you state that D2005 is stable... just have a look at QC, it is impossible that all those QC reports are wrong. Regards. John. Um, are you actually trying to tell Mr Morris that his experience with Delphi 2005 is wrong simply because yours was/is not good? I feel for you, I really do, but telling someone that they are wrong because they have had no problems doesn't make sense to me. Heaven forbid someone post about something good.... -- Robin. <disclaimer> Not an expert </disclaimer> Back to top Eric Schreiber Guest Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 12:22 am    Post subject: Re: About Post "It actually happened!" John McLaine wrote: Quote: You can not be serious when you state that D2005 is stable... just have a look at QC, it is impossible that all those QC reports are wrong. Have you only recently arrived in this newsgroup? The reason I ask is that it has long since been determined and accepted that *for some* users, D2005 is very unstable and slow, while for others it performs quite well. That your installation gives you grief in no way means that your experience is universal, nor that Peter's is invalid. Back to top Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] Guest Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 1:13 am    Post subject: Re: About Post "It actually happened!" At 02:02:18, 25.08.2005, John McLaine wrote: Quote: You can not be serious when you state that D2005 is stable... just have a look at QC, it is impossible that all those QC reports are wrong. He is merely saying that for him, it is stable. Of course he is serious. Don't assume that since you have problems, that everyone must have them. I also don't have any stability problems with D2005 (installed on 3 machines here), but I am aware of the fact that others have them. -- Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] http://velthuis.homepage.t-online.de "Why do grandparents and grandchildren get along so well? They have the same enemy -- the mother." - Claudette Colbert. Back to top JED Guest Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 1:24 am    Post subject: Re: About Post "It actually happened!" John McLaine wrote: Quote: Code Insight does not behave well when working with records. It does not show 2 level and above, records members. At all my projects I use 4 o 5 level records, with Delphi 7 it works like a charm.. now.. when you press CTRL space.. you get the "infinite white" I mean absolutely nothing. Code Insight needs clues when looking for example, ordinal names, if you for example have a Ordinal named "cnt_Test",if you press ctrl space and then write "cnt_" nothing is suggested, but if you write first "cnt_" and the press ctrl space then suddenly "cnt_Test" appear... crazy. FWIW, I've opened that report. I couldn't reproduce your other report but will try again tonight when I have some more time. -- www.jed-software.com Back to top Kyle A. Miller Guest Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:37 am    Post subject: Re: About Post "It actually happened!" John McLaine wrote: Quote: Well, I am not very sure if you are serious or not about what you sayed in your post I think he and I would like to append our messages with "Your mileage may vary." Quote: Object Inspector "eats" sometimes properties of a component, where property "name" was, suddenly it appears "top", so you where thinking you where writing the component I remember something like that with no updates or Update 1. I know Update 3 plus unofficial hot fixes have been applied, but they don't seem to be running. Quote: Code Insight does not behave well when working with records. It does not show 2 level and above, records members. At all my projects I use 4 o 5 level records, I don't use nested records, but I can reproduce what you describe. Make sure to vote for the QC. Peter may not see it because he uses C#. Back to top Max Guest Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 6:40 am    Post subject: Re: About Post "It actually happened!" Quote: You can not be serious when you state that D2005 is stable... just have a look at QC, it is impossible that all those QC reports are wrong. Regards. John. Take D6/D7. Or Lazarus. -- ------------------------------------------------- Binary Packets with daily error corrections http://www.de.freepascal.org/lazarus/ New: Free Pascal 2.1.1 / Lazarus 0.9.9 ------------------------------------------------- Create native 64-bit compiler/IDE Vote http://qc.borland.com/wc/qcmain.aspx?d=7324 ------------------------------------------------- Parameterized Types (aka Generics) also for Win32 Vote http://qc.borland.com/wc/qcmain.aspx?d=11168 ------------------------------------------------- Help system needs major work Vote http://qc.borland.com/wc/qcmain.aspx?d=13986 ------------------------------------------------- Back to top John McLaine Guest Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 7:33 am    Post subject: Re: About Post "It actually happened!" At first of all please don't take me wrong. Maybe I forgot to put a smiley somewhere there and here at my post . I did not want to be unpolite to nobody. .... so Rudy. I don't assume nothing. Quite all issues that I comented should happen to 99% of all Delphi 2005 Installations since they are bugs, er..still unresolved. I have been reading this newsgroup for long and never (maybe once) posted a entry. I have seen post telling "my delphi 2005 works well", "apply update patch 1".. etc etc.etc.. Rudy.. believe me.. I have installed D2005 on several different machines, with diferents OS'es, with different hardware... and I experience allways the same problems. It is not a complain what I wanted to state, nor a attack to Mr. Peter Morris, just my 2 cents about all this. "Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]" <velthuis (AT) gmail (DOT) com> escribió en el mensaje news:xn0e6ejs62ctwd200f-velthuis (AT) www (DOT) teamb.com... Quote: At 02:02:18, 25.08.2005, John McLaine wrote: You can not be serious when you state that D2005 is stable... just have a look at QC, it is impossible that all those QC reports are wrong. He is merely saying that for him, it is stable. Of course he is serious. Don't assume that since you have problems, that everyone must have them. I also don't have any stability problems with D2005 (installed on 3 machines here), but I am aware of the fact that others have them. -- Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] http://velthuis.homepage.t-online.de "Why do grandparents and grandchildren get along so well? They have the same enemy -- the mother." - Claudette Colbert. Back to top John McLaine Guest Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 7:52 am    Post subject: Re: About Post "It actually happened!" Quote: Um, are you actually trying to tell Mr Morris that his experience with Delphi 2005 is wrong simply because yours was/is not good? No. I am not trying to tell that. I just establishing facts. D2005 hangs, D2005 has bugs. In some other post answering this ,somebody said that Mr. Morris was using C#, maybe that could be the diference between his installation and mine. I just use only Delphi and the Net part, no C#. Quote: Heaven forbid someone post about something good.... No.. being positive is good... I have to be positive.. that's why I still use D7 instead of D2005 :-) Back to top Peter Morris [Droopy eyes Guest Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 10:38 am    Post subject: Re: About Post "It actually happened!" Hi John Quote: You can not be serious when you state that D2005 is stable... just have a look at QC, it is impossible that all those QC reports are wrong. You are putting words into my mouth, I don't use the word "stable" once in my post. I cannot say if D2005 is good or bad "in general" because I haven't conducted a scientific study on the matter. I can however state my own experiences, and my posting was a very accurate representation of those. -- Pete ==== ECO Modeler, Audio compression components, DIB graphics controls, FastStrings http://www.droopyeyes.com Read or write articles on just about anything http://www.HowToDoThings.com My blog http://blogs.slcdug.org/petermorris/ Back to top Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] Guest Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 10:52 am    Post subject: Re: About Post "It actually happened!" At 09:33:28, 25.08.2005, John McLaine wrote: Quote: Rudy.. believe me.. I have installed D2005 on several different machines, with diferents OS'es, with different hardware... and I experience allways the same problems. Oh, I don't have any problems believing you. I know you are not the only one. But you doubted those who said they had no problems were serious. Well, why not? -- Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] http://velthuis.homepage.t-online.de "The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is like an eggs-and-ham breakfast: the chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'." - unknown Back to top John McLaine Guest Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 10:58 am    Post subject: Re: About Post "It actually happened!" Quote: You are putting words into my mouth, I don't use the word "stable" once in my post. I cannot say if D2005 is good or bad "in general" because I haven't conducted a scientific study on the matter. I can however state my own experiences, and my posting was a very accurate representation of those. "I have been blessed with practically no problems at all, and now today it hung. That's pretty good going though, all that time, wow " Well... I did not intend to say that you sayed this or that... in the above line you don't say "stable" correct. But "with practically no problems at all" what does it mean ? Unstable ? no.. stable. Anyway... I did not wanted to disturb you with my post... I you feel that it was unpolite then my apologies.. all this came up because I had enough of posts where people say that Delphi 2005 is a thing wich you can work with... for me it is completelly useless. "Peter Morris [Droopy eyes software]" <pete (AT) NO_droopyeyes_SPAM (DOT) com> escribió en el mensaje news:430d9f96$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: Hi John You can not be serious when you state that D2005 is stable... just have a look at QC, it is impossible that all those QC reports are wrong. -- Pete ==== ECO Modeler, Audio compression components, DIB graphics controls, FastStrings http://www.droopyeyes.com Read or write articles on just about anything http://www.HowToDoThings.com My blog http://blogs.slcdug.org/petermorris/ Back to top Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] Guest Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 11:03 am    Post subject: Re: About Post "It actually happened!" At 13:04:57, 25.08.2005, John McLaine wrote: Quote: I had known (after my post) that Mr. Morris uses C# only. I haven't tested this, since I only work with Delphi Language and Delphi Language .NET. Maybe that makes the difference. No, it doesn't. I haven't used C# in the D2005 IDE yet, only Delphi for ..NET and Delphi for Win32. And I did not have any of the problems described by you and others. Anyway, the problem seems to be in the IDE, and they all use the same IDE. -- Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] http://velthuis.homepage.t-online.de "When his life was ruined, his family killed, his farm destroyed, Job knelt down on the ground and yelled up to the heavens, "Why god? Why me?" and the thundering voice of God answered, "There's just something about you that pisses me off." -- Stephen King. Back to top Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] Guest Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 11:04 am    Post subject: Re: About Post "It actually happened!" At 08:40:45, 25.08.2005, Max wrote: Quote: You can not be serious when you state that D2005 is stable... just have a look at QC, it is impossible that all those QC reports are wrong. Regards. John. Take D6/D7. Or Lazarus. He said he needed to use Delphi for .NET. <g> -- Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] http://velthuis.homepage.t-online.de "If there’s one thing I know it’s God does love a good joke." -- Hugh Elliott, Standing Room Only weblog, 05-01-04 Back to top John McLaine Guest Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 11:04 am    Post subject: Re: About Post "It actually happened!" Quote: Oh, I don't have any problems believing you. I know you are not the only one. I rather think you should count XORwise Who are not having problems at all ? Quote: But you doubted those who said they had no problems were serious. Well, why not? -- I had known (after my post) that Mr. Morris uses C# only. I haven't tested this, since I only work with Delphi Language and Delphi Language .NET. Maybe that makes the difference. 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