BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Balmer admits .NET is at a standstill - Interesting Link Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Philip A. Stephens Guest Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 5:10 am    Post subject: Balmer admits .NET is at a standstill - Interesting Link http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/0,2000061733,39199269,00.htm An interesting comment... Regards, Phil S. Back to top George M. Guest Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 6:02 am    Post subject: Re: Balmer admits .NET is at a standstill - Interesting Link "Philip A. Stephens" <pstephen (AT) DELETEmail (DOT) usyd.edu.au> wrote Quote: http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/0,2000061733,39199269,00.htm Balmer is not someone who make such comments by mistake. Let's hope MS will drop this .NET dog before it kills the real-world software market. George Back to top James K Smith Guest Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 6:20 am    Post subject: Re: Balmer admits .NET is at a standstill - Interesting Link Interesting. The point of being in business is to make money, not to provide something which appears to be useful (that's just a means). While we've been arguing over the pros and cons of .net, trying to interpret Borland's next move, what direction Microsoft expects us to follow, blah blah blah, it may end up being the case that Microsoft finds their old monopoly played out, and that being the biggest media provider (over Google) can make Bill and Steve a lot more money. "Philip A. Stephens" <pstephen (AT) DELETEmail (DOT) usyd.edu.au> wrote Quote: http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/0,2000061733,39199269,00.htm An interesting comment... Regards, Phil S. Back to top Tim Anderson Guest Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 6:43 am    Post subject: Re: Balmer admits .NET is at a standstill - Interesting Link "Philip A. Stephens" <pstephen (AT) DELETEmail (DOT) usyd.edu.au> wrote Quote: http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/0,2000061733,39199269,00.htm An interesting comment... I thought so too; but I would like to know what Ballmer actually said. I even listened to most of his keynote at TechEd 2005, available here: http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=3232961 but can't find any hint of this. I'm mistrustful of short out-of-context quotes. Tim Back to top Lauchlan M Guest Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 7:01 am    Post subject: Re: Balmer admits .NET is at a standstill - Interesting Link Quote: http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/0,2000061733,39199269,00.htm An interesting comment... I thought so too; but I would like to know what Ballmer actually said. I even listened to most of his keynote at TechEd 2005, available here: http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=3232961 but can't find any hint of this. It was a talk in Australia in the last couple of days. Todays Financial Review (in Australia) had some coverage of it. I didn't read it closely (I was looking through it in the supermarket checkout aisle) but the gist of it was that MS growth was down. Balmer was "bullish" about future prospects, and said that MS was growing strongly, but investors expecting growth levels of 20% were simply unrealistic. He addressed China, and said that while there was a big demand for hardware in China, there was little demand there for software, due presumably to China's endorsement of open source and IP protection issues in China. I think Balmer's comments were more to the effect that growth was slowing generally in the industry amd MS's growth with it, rather than a comment specifically on the viability or uptake of.net, although he may of course have said something to that effect in his talk. There's probably a link to a talk transcript around somewhere. Lauchlan M Back to top Kostya Guest Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 7:13 am    Post subject: Re: Balmer admits .NET is at a standstill - Interesting Link Quote: An interesting comment... That was probably related to revenues. Investors would not care about anything else Kostya Back to top Tim Anderson Guest Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 7:56 am    Post subject: Re: Balmer admits .NET is at a standstill - Interesting Link "Lauchlan M" <LMackinnonAT_NoSpam_ozemailDOTcomDOTau> wrote Quote: http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/0,2000061733,39199269,00.htm I think Balmer's comments were more to the effect that growth was slowing generally in the industry amd MS's growth with it, rather than a comment specifically on the viability or uptake of.net, although he may of course have said something to that effect in his talk. That makes better sense. Thanks. Tim Back to top VT Venkatesh Guest Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 8:41 am    Post subject: Re: Balmer admits .NET is at a standstill - Interesting Link Dogs are man's best friend.They save lives & do not kill persons Hope you will not use such phrases Venkatesh(a dog lover) "George M." <pls.no@spam> wrote Quote: "Philip A. Stephens" <pstephen (AT) DELETEmail (DOT) usyd.edu.au> wrote in message news:42c22ce9 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/0,2000061733,39199269,00.htm Balmer is not someone who make such comments by mistake. Let's hope MS will drop this .NET dog before it kills the real-world software market. George Back to top Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] Guest Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 10:22 am    Post subject: Re: Balmer admits .NET is at a standstill - Interesting Link At 10:41:57, 29.06.2005, VT Venkatesh wrote: Quote: Dogs are man's best friend.They save lives & do not kill persons Tell that to the old woman who was attacked by a Rottweiler and died, a few streets away from here. -- Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] http://velthuis.homepage.t-online.de "I have an existential map; it has 'you are here' written all over it." - Steven Wright Back to top Lauchlan M Guest Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 10:35 am    Post subject: Re: Balmer admits .NET is at a standstill - Interesting Link Quote: http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/0,2000061733,39199269,00.htm An interesting comment... Also interesting (following a link from the article) is << Microsoft is facing increasing pressure from alternative products as state and federal governments move to level the playing field between proprietary and open-source software. Canberra recently released a guide to agencies' procurement of open source, while the New South Wales government is next month expected to formally constitute a panel of suppliers of Linux and open-source software solutions for its agencies. Quote: http://zdnet.com.au/news/business/0,39023166,39199259,00.htm At the governmental level, there seems to be a continuing big push towards open source. Lauchlan M Back to top listmember Guest Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 10:43 am    Post subject: Re: Balmer admits .NET is at a standstill - Interesting Link VT Venkatesh wrote: Quote: Dogs are man's best friend. They save lives & do not kill persons. Hope you will not use such phrases I second this whole heartedly. Quote: "George M." <pls.no@spam> wrote in message Balmer is not someone who make such comments by mistake. Let's hope MS will drop this .NET dog before it kills the real-world software market. George Back to top Ralf Mimoun Guest Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 10:50 am    Post subject: Re: Balmer admits .NET is at a standstill - Interesting Link Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] wrote: Quote: At 10:41:57, 29.06.2005, VT Venkatesh wrote: Dogs are man's best friend.They save lives & do not kill persons Tell that to the old woman who was attacked by a Rottweiler and died, a few streets away from here. Or to the little girl in our street with big scars in her face. Completely off-topic, but I am sure that at least 90% of all dogs are a surrogate for a child, and their owners are totally incapable to educate their dog. Strange job description for a predator. Ralf Back to top roman modic Guest Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 10:54 am    Post subject: Re: Balmer admits .NET is at a standstill - Interesting Link Hello, "Ralf Mimoun" <nospam (AT) rad-on (DOT) de> wrote Quote: Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] wrote: At 10:41:57, 29.06.2005, VT Venkatesh wrote: Dogs are man's best friend.They save lives & do not kill persons Tell that to the old woman who was attacked by a Rottweiler and died, a few streets away from here. Or to the little girl in our street with big scars in her face. Completely off-topic, but I am sure that at least 90% of all dogs are a surrogate for a child, and their owners are totally incapable to educate their dog. Strange job description for a predator. 11 dogs that could raise your insurance costs: http://www.bankrate.com/brm/news/insurance/bad-dog-list1.asp Roman Back to top Don Strenczewilk Guest Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 11:11 am    Post subject: Re: Balmer admits .NET is at a standstill - Interesting Link The headline doesn't match the quote: "Asked about the future of its .NET strategy, Ballmer admitted the platform "had stalled in the last 12 months". But there would be a renewed .NET push, he said, and this was "an assigned priority" for the government sector." Instead of "is at a standstill," it would have been more accurate to say, "had stalled in the past 12 months." But I suppose less people would read on. More at 11. "Philip A. Stephens" <pstephen (AT) DELETEmail (DOT) usyd.edu.au> wrote Quote: http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/0,2000061733,39199269,00.htm An interesting comment... Back to top Lauchlan M Guest Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 11:21 am    Post subject: Re: Balmer admits .NET is at a standstill - Interesting Link Quote: "Asked about the future of its .NET strategy, Ballmer admitted the platform "had stalled in the last 12 months". But there would be a renewed .NET push, he said, and this was "an assigned priority" for the government sector." Instead of "is at a standstill," it would have been more accurate to say, "had stalled in the past 12 months." But I suppose less people would read on. More at 11. Isn't this confusing a statement of 'where the market is at' with a statement of 'where Balmer wants the market to go'? A statement that the .net market is currently stalling is not inconsistent with a statement that MS wants to reinvigorate that market and give it a push . . . 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