BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Borland Roadshow UK 2006 (9th May) Goto page 1, 2, 3  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Pete Goodwin Guest Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 9:14 am    Post subject: Borland Roadshow UK 2006 (9th May) London Underground was messed up pretty badly so I rolled in late to the roadshow (10.10am), so I missed the introduction. I saw the IDE talk and picked up on a couple of things I didn't know are in the IDE. Refactoring was mentioned in passing but no real demo of it, so I'm none the wiser. Is there a demo or demos somewhere on the Borland website of all these new features that are in BDS that I just wouldn't know existed unless someone held my hand and talked me through them? David I gave a talk about databases - sorry, don't do those so I didn't pay too much attention. The next section was Modelling, and that was very interesting. The talk about dropping in Design Patterns, exporting/importing them was very interesting for me, as I'm currently trying to get up to speed on these things. The ECO stuff was interesting, just not relevant to the kinds of projects I tend to work on. Usually small audio related apps. I was a bit disappointed when I returned home to my BDS 2006 Professional to descover it doesn't have the "Together Design Patterns" feature mentioned in the talk. It would have been nice in the talk to point out you need Enterprise or Architect to get them. Is there any way of adding the Together Design Patterns without going the whole hog of Enterprise/Architect? -- Pete Goodwin Back to top Peter Morris [Droopy eyes Guest Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 9:14 am    Post subject: Re: Borland Roadshow UK 2006 (9th May) Quote: London Underground was messed up pretty badly so I rolled in late to the roadshow (10.10am), I didn't know this event was happening, where did you hear about it? Back to top Joe Hendricks Guest Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 9:14 am    Post subject: Re: Borland Roadshow UK 2006 (9th May) Pete Goodwin wrote: Quote: Is there a demo or demos somewhere on the Borland website of all these new features that are in BDS that I just wouldn't know existed unless someone held my hand and talked me through them? The "24 hours of DeXter" on BDN covers all the features pretty well... Quote: Is there any way of adding the Together Design Patterns without going the whole hog of Enterprise/Architect? I'd look at ModelMaker's Code Explorer instead (I have D2006 Arch, and STILL find Modelmaker/Code Explorer more powerful, and FASTER): http://www.modelmakertools.com/code-explorer/index.html I sincerely hope the new Devco considers again including Modelmaker/Code Explorer in SKUs when they free themselves from Borland. JoeH Back to top chrisC Guest Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 10:14 am    Post subject: Re: Borland Roadshow UK 2006 (9th May) Pete Goodwin wrote: Quote: Refactoring was mentioned in passing but no real demo of it, so I'm none the wiser. David I gave a talk about databases - sorry, don't do those The ECO stuff was interesting, just not relevant to the kinds of projects I tend to work on. I was a bit disappointed when I returned home to my BDS 2006 Professional to descover it doesn't have the "Together Design Patterns" The Borland BDS stuff is probably too complicated for you. Try VB.NET. It's easier. Cheers Chrs Back to top Pete Goodwin Guest Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 10:14 am    Post subject: Re: Borland Roadshow UK 2006 (9th May) Peter Morris [Droopy eyes software] wrote: Quote: London Underground was messed up pretty badly so I rolled in late to the roadshow (10.10am), I didn't know this event was happening, where did you hear about it? I got an invitation by email. -- Pete Goodwin Back to top Jim Cooper Guest Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 10:14 am    Post subject: Re: Borland Roadshow UK 2006 (9th May) Quote: I'd look at ModelMaker's Code Explorer instead Which also has a code repository, not a patterns repository, just in case you're wondering, Pete :-) Cheers, Jim Cooper _____________________________________________ Jim Cooper jcooper (AT) tabdee (DOT) ltd.uk Skype : jim.cooper Tabdee Ltd http://www.tabdee.ltd.uk TurboSync - Connecting Delphi to your Palm _____________________________________________ Back to top Pete Goodwin Guest Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 10:14 am    Post subject: Re: Borland Roadshow UK 2006 (9th May) chrisC wrote: Quote: Pete Goodwin wrote: Refactoring was mentioned in passing but no real demo of it, so I'm none the wiser. David I gave a talk about databases - sorry, don't do those The ECO stuff was interesting, just not relevant to the kinds of projects I tend to work on. I was a bit disappointed when I returned home to my BDS 2006 Professional to descover it doesn't have the "Together Design Patterns" The Borland BDS stuff is probably too complicated for you. Try VB.NET. It's easier. <fx type="rasperberry"/> -- Pete Goodwin Back to top Jim Cooper Guest Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 10:14 am    Post subject: Re: Borland Roadshow UK 2006 (9th May) Quote: The talk about dropping in Design Patterns, exporting/importing them was very interesting for me, as I'm currently trying to get up to speed on these things. Well, technically, Delphi doesn't do design patterns, it has a repository of code templates of one implementation of a set of patterns. It is very important to remember that patterns are not code templates, and that you typically vary the implementation of a given pattern in different scenarios. For example, I wouldn't use very many of the Delphi templates as they are unnecessarily complex, often make copious and pointless use of interfaces, and so on. However, you can add your own templates if you want. But still, it's a code template repository, not a patterns repository. No matter what they call it :-) Quote: Is there any way of adding the Together Design Patterns I wouldn't bother. You need to understand the patterns first, and once you do, they are not terribly onerous to implement yourself, especially since you most likely will not want exactly the implementation they have anyway. Cheers, Jim Cooper _____________________________________________ Jim Cooper jcooper (AT) tabdee (DOT) ltd.uk Skype : jim.cooper Tabdee Ltd http://www.tabdee.ltd.uk TurboSync - Connecting Delphi to your Palm _____________________________________________ Back to top Joanna Carter [TeamB] Guest Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 10:14 am    Post subject: Re: Borland Roadshow UK 2006 (9th May) "Peter Morris [Droopy eyes software]" <pete (AT) NO_droopyeyes_SPAM (DOT) com> a écrit dans le message de news: 4461ab78$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... | I didn't know this event was happening, where did you hear about it? Hey, I'm in TeamB and didn't get to hear about it either !!! :-( Added to which it appears to have been scheduled on the same day as the UK Developers Group (Borland User Group) meeting in London Great co-ordination guys :-} Joanna -- Joanna Carter [TeamB] Consultant Software Engineer Back to top Pete Goodwin Guest Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 10:14 am    Post subject: Re: Borland Roadshow UK 2006 (9th May) Peter Morris [Droopy eyes software] wrote: Quote: London Underground was messed up pretty badly so I rolled in late to the roadshow (10.10am), I didn't know this event was happening, where did you hear about it? Also on http://www.delphi-2006.com/ -- Pete Goodwin Back to top Peter Morris [Droopy eyes Guest Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 10:14 am    Post subject: Re: Borland Roadshow UK 2006 (9th May) Quote: Well, technically, Delphi doesn't do design patterns, it has a repository of code templates of one implementation of a set of patterns. First I want to say that I haven't looked at it in great detail but I did take a quick look once and I was able to 1) Create a set of classes with associations etc 2) Select what I wanted from my diagram and create a pattern 3) Later apply that pattern to other classes 4) Modify my original pattern Are you unaware of this, or is there something I am unaware of that is covered by the word "technically"? :-) -- Pete ==== Audio compression components, DIB graphics controls, ECO extensions, FastStrings http://www.droopyeyes.com My blog http://blogs.slcdug.org/petermorris/ Back to top Jon Robertson Guest Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 12:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Borland Roadshow UK 2006 (9th May) Pete Goodwin wrote: Quote: I didn't know this event was happening, where did you hear about it? Also on http://www.delphi-2006.com/ But, unfortunately, not on http://ec.borland.com :( -- Jon Robertson Borland Certified Advanced Delphi 7 Developer MedEvolve, Inc http://www.medevolve.com Back to top Chris Burrows Guest Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 1:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Borland Roadshow UK 2006 (9th May) "Peter Morris [Droopy eyes software]" <pete (AT) NO_droopyeyes_SPAM (DOT) com> wrote in message news:4461ab78$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: London Underground was messed up pretty badly so I rolled in late to the roadshow (10.10am), I didn't know this event was happening, where did you hear about it? http://bdn.borland.com/article/0,1410,33475,00.html -- Chris Burrows CFB Software http://www.cfbsoftware.com Back to top Jim Cooper Guest Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 1:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Borland Roadshow UK 2006 (9th May) Quote: 1) Create a set of classes with associations etc Right. Because it is a repository of code templates. Quote: Are you unaware of this, or is there something I am unaware of that is covered by the word "technically"? Code templates <> design patterns This is an important point that is often lost on those new to patterns. Cheers, Jim Cooper _____________________________________________ Jim Cooper jcooper (AT) tabdee (DOT) ltd.uk Skype : jim.cooper Tabdee Ltd http://www.tabdee.ltd.uk TurboSync - Connecting Delphi to your Palm _____________________________________________ Back to top John Jacobson Guest Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 1:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Borland Roadshow UK 2006 (9th May) Jim Cooper <jcooper (AT) tabdee (DOT) ltd.uk> wrote in message <4461d8f6 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com> Quote: Code templates <> design patterns This is an important point that is often lost on those new to patterns. Code Templates can be used to implement patterns. 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