BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Can I use BCB6 with AMD 64bit processors? Goto page 1, 2  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> C++ Builder (Non-Technical) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Vladimir Stefanovic Guest Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 6:03 pm    Post subject: Can I use BCB6 with AMD 64bit processors? Can I use BCB6 with AMD 64bit processors? I think that someone says some time ago, that there were some problems (or not)... Best regards, Vladimir Stefanovic Back to top Yu-Chen Hsueh Guest Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 6:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Can I use BCB6 with AMD 64bit processors? Vladimir, Officially, BCB6 is not supported on AMD 64-bit systems. That having been said, it seems that some customers have been using the two together successfully. Early on, some customers did encounter freezing issues on their Opteron and Athlon 64 machines. The few instances that I'm personally aware of were fixed by applying the errata 109 BIOS update. -- YH -- -- Please confine your posts to the newsgroups and DO NOT reply to this e-mail account unless asked. Any unsolicted e-mail will be ignored. Back to top Vladimir Stefanovic Guest Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 7:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Can I use BCB6 with AMD 64bit processors? Thanks for this info. What is: Quote: [...] errata 109 BIOS update. .... is that some speciffic flash for the motherboard? Best regards, Vladimir Stefanovic Quote: -- YH -- -- Please confine your posts to the newsgroups and DO NOT reply to this e-mail account unless asked. Any unsolicted e-mail will be ignored. Back to top Yu-Chen Hsueh Guest Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 7:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Can I use BCB6 with AMD 64bit processors? It's a bug: http://news.com.com/AMD+offers+fix+for+processor+glitch/2110-1006_3-5245501. html?tag=nefd.hed Applying the update for it has helped other BCB6 customers avoid the freezing issue in the past. -- YH -- -- Please confine your posts to the newsgroups and DO NOT reply to this e-mail account unless asked. Any unsolicted e-mail will be ignored. Back to top Sean Hoffman Guest Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:00 am    Post subject: Re: Can I use BCB6 with AMD 64bit processors? Note, you still won't be able to build 64 bit apps. If you're interested in developing 64 bits, I shudder to say, Microsoft is your only choice, despite the fact that they haven't released a Platform SDK that supports 64 bit development yet. If you're interested in this, I posted a writeup on how to develop 64 bit apps with Visual Studio.NET at the following link: http://www.amdzone.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=2216&sid=114903e2c8861c8951497c13b8c3afc5 "Vladimir Stefanovic" <spam (AT) not (DOT) needed> wrote Quote: Can I use BCB6 with AMD 64bit processors? I think that someone says some time ago, that there were some problems (or not)... Best regards, Vladimir Stefanovic Back to top Sebastian Ledesma Guest Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 1:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Can I use BCB6 with AMD 64bit processors? As I know the GCC also supports AMD64 for Win64 and Linux, but never tested (I expect to buy my AMD64 by december/january 05). Saludos Sebastian "Sean Hoffman" <seandontspammehoff@austintxDOTcom> escribió en el mensaje news:4163c223 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: Note, you still won't be able to build 64 bit apps. If you're interested in developing 64 bits, I shudder to say, Microsoft is your only choice, despite the fact that they haven't released a Platform SDK that supports 64 bit development yet. If you're interested in this, I posted a writeup on how to develop 64 bit apps with Visual Studio.NET at the following link: http://www.amdzone.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=2216&sid=114903e2c8861c8951497c13b8c3afc5 Back to top Mogens Hansen Guest Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 3:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Can I use BCB6 with AMD 64bit processors? "Sean Hoffman" <seandontspammehoff@austintxDOTcom> wrote Quote: Note, you still won't be able to build 64 bit apps. If you're interested in developing 64 bits, I shudder to say, Microsoft is your only choice, Intel C++ V8.1 is capable of compiling 64 bit applications. Since Intel and AMD x86-64 processors are compatible it should work - although I haven't tried. Kind regards Mogens Hansen Back to top Sean Hoffman Guest Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 4:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Can I use BCB6 with AMD 64bit processors? I stand corrected... "Sebastian Ledesma" <labo_no_sp (AT) m_solidyne1 (DOT) com> wrote Quote: As I know the GCC also supports AMD64 for Win64 and Linux, but never tested (I expect to buy my AMD64 by december/january 05). Saludos Sebastian snip Back to top Sean Hoffman Guest Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 4:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Can I use BCB6 with AMD 64bit processors? I stand corrected once again, though I'd be a little nervous about running anything built with Intel C++ on and AMD system unless I'd examined the assembly output to verify nothing funky was going on. "Mogens Hansen" <mogens_h (AT) dk-online (DOT) dk> wrote Quote: snip Intel C++ V8.1 is capable of compiling 64 bit applications. Since Intel and AMD x86-64 processors are compatible it should work - although I haven't tried. Kind regards Mogens Hansen Back to top Chris Uzdavinis (TeamB) Guest Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 5:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Can I use BCB6 with AMD 64bit processors? "Sean Hoffman" <seandontspammehoff@austintxDOTcom> writes: Quote: I stand corrected once again, though I'd be a little nervous about running anything built with Intel C++ on and AMD system unless I'd examined the assembly output to verify nothing funky was going on. From what I understand, Intel has one of the best--if not THE best--optimizers available. Even without processor-specific codegen optimizations (obviously not available for AMD), the non-platform-specific optimizations are still have supposedly very good results, even for AMD platforms. As for 64-bits, though, I'm not sure if their compiler will target an Opteron. Anyone know any deatils here? -- Chris (TeamB); Back to top Sean Hoffman Guest Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 5:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Can I use BCB6 with AMD 64bit processors? It wasn't their optimizations I was worried about, as I too have heard wonderful things about their compiler.. But worried me was the potential de-optimizations. I'm not saying there are any, and I'm not saying there aren't. I'm just saying I'd want to know for sure before I built a product on it. Intel doesn't exactly have a history of making things easy on their competition, especially when that competition is managing to beat them in some way... "Chris Uzdavinis (TeamB)" <chris (AT) uzdavinis (DOT) com> wrote <snip> Quote: From what I understand, Intel has one of the best--if not THE best--optimizers available. Even without processor-specific codegen optimizations (obviously not available for AMD), the non-platform-specific optimizations are still have supposedly very good results, even for AMD platforms. As for 64-bits, though, I'm not sure if their compiler will target an Opteron. Anyone know any deatils here? -- Chris (TeamB); Back to top Oscar Fuentes Guest Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 5:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Can I use BCB6 with AMD 64bit processors? "Sean Hoffman" <seandontspammehoff@austintxDOTcom> writes: Quote: It wasn't their optimizations I was worried about, as I too have heard wonderful things about their compiler.. But worried me was the potential de-optimizations. I'm not saying there are any, and I'm not saying there aren't. I'm just saying I'd want to know for sure before I built a product on it. Intel doesn't exactly have a history of making things easy on their competition, especially when that competition is managing to beat them in some way... My workstation is an Athlon and I use Intel as my main C++ compiler. It beats all other compilers I tried (MSVC++, g++, Metrowerks) OTOH, I'm not aware of Intel support for AMD64. What I get is a compiler for x86, other for Itanium and other for "Extended Memory 64", which I think is not the same as AMD64. -- Oscar Back to top Sean Hoffman Guest Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 6:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Can I use BCB6 with AMD 64bit processors? Actually, I think the "extended memory 64" is EMT64, which is Intel's marketing name for AMD64. There were a couple of minor differences relating to the fact that Intel did their reverse engineering based on an earlier opcode doc, but the implementations are very close.. "Oscar Fuentes" <ofv (AT) wanadoo (DOT) es> wrote <snip> Quote: My workstation is an Athlon and I use Intel as my main C++ compiler. It beats all other compilers I tried (MSVC++, g++, Metrowerks) OTOH, I'm not aware of Intel support for AMD64. What I get is a compiler for x86, other for Itanium and other for "Extended Memory 64", which I think is not the same as AMD64. -- Oscar Back to top Randall Parker Guest Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 7:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Can I use BCB6 with AMD 64bit processors? Chris, Intel just announced (like 2 or 3 days ago) a new rev of their compiler and they now generate code for AMD64. That really surprised me. Chris Uzdavinis (TeamB) wrote: Quote: As for 64-bits, though, I'm not sure if their compiler will target an Opteron. Anyone know any deatils here? Back to top Mogens Hansen Guest Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 11:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Can I use BCB6 with AMD 64bit processors? Sean Hoffman wrote: Quote: I stand corrected once again, though I'd be a little nervous about running anything built with Intel C++ on and AMD system unless I'd examined the assembly output to verify nothing funky was going on. I've been using the Intel C++ compilers for years through many versions on both Intel and AMD CPU's and both on MS-Windows and Linux, without noticing any problems. 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