BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Danny Thorpe in Toronto Goto page 1, 2  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Bruce McGee Guest Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 4:14 am    Post subject: Danny Thorpe in Toronto Danny Thorpe will be speaking at the Toronto Delphi user group on Monday, June 19. I like his original one line description. It's short, straight to the point and specifically mentions Delphi, so it's on topic in this forum. :) "Windows Live Developer Platform and what it means to Delphi people." And then he got in a writing mood and went all verbose: "Windows Live: Blurring the Distinction Between Software and Internet As modern culture rushes headlong into always-on broadband Internet connectivity, the definition of what an application is, how you build it, and where it lives is rapidly changing. Look at the Internet sites you use today. How many of them store information for you? A lot. And how much of that information can you use on other Internet sites? Not much. Today, it is rare for user data stored on one site to be accessible (and private) to applications that reside on other sites. The Internet has become a web of isolated data silos, requiring the end user to keep track of multiple logins and redundant data stored by multiple sites. This is not the ideal. The ideal is to tear down the barriers between the silos that store your data so that you (and only you) can decide which applications can use your data, and which data they can use. After all, whose data is it, anyway?" Followed by our famous beer sig. Details will be on the TDUG site. http://tdug.com/ -- Regards, Bruce McGee Glooscap Software Back to top Bear Guest Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 5:14 am    Post subject: Re: Danny Thorpe in Toronto I think the control of the private data should be at client side (by a software, like RoboForm) not server side. Bear "Mat Ballard" <mat (AT) chemwares (DOT) com> ??????:446bf9e0 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: Danny Thorpe will be speaking at the Toronto Delphi user group on Monday, June 19 ... The Internet has become a web of isolated data silos, requiring the end user to keep track of multiple logins and redundant data stored by multiple sites. This is not the ideal. The ideal is to tear down the barriers between the silos that store your data so that you (and only you) can decide which applications can use your data, and which data they can use. After all, whose data is it, anyway?" Can someone who'll be there please ask Danny about the place of "silos" in security principles. I really *dislike* the idea of my internet banking account being even remotely connected to my Yahoo account. cheers, Mat Back to top Mat Ballard Guest Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 5:14 am    Post subject: Re: Danny Thorpe in Toronto Quote: Danny Thorpe will be speaking at the Toronto Delphi user group on Monday, June 19 ... The Internet has become a web of isolated data silos, requiring the end user to keep track of multiple logins and redundant data stored by multiple sites. This is not the ideal. The ideal is to tear down the barriers between the silos that store your data so that you (and only you) can decide which applications can use your data, and which data they can use. After all, whose data is it, anyway?" Can someone who'll be there please ask Danny about the place of "silos" in security principles. I really *dislike* the idea of my internet banking account being even remotely connected to my Yahoo account. cheers, Mat Back to top Henry Guest Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 9:14 am    Post subject: Re: Danny Thorpe in Toronto Bruce McGee wrote: Quote: "Windows Live: Blurring the Distinction Between Software and Internet snip> The ideal is to tear down the barriers between the silos that store your data so that you (and only you) can decide which applications can use your data, and which data they can use. After all, whose data is it, anyway?" A partial answer to that question is, "Not Microsoft's". This all sounds like Passport II. Back to top Barry Kelly Guest Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 11:14 am    Post subject: Re: Danny Thorpe in Toronto "Bruce McGee" <bmcgee (AT) glooscap (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: Look at the Internet sites you use today. How many of them store information for you? A lot. And how much of that information can you use on other Internet sites? Not much. I wouldn't mind more webservice APIs being available. Of course, these APIs would need to be protected with some kind of credentials and authentication, but that aside, it would be nice if more web apps could ask you "do you have a such-n-such account" and link the systems together more easily - on demand, of course. The dangers of a centralized authentication system like Windows Live ID (nee Passport) are obvious and probably to be avoided for slowness reasons, if nothing else. <g> -- Barry -- http://barrkel.blogspot.com/ Back to top I.P. Nichols Guest Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 12:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Danny Thorpe in Toronto "Henry" wrote: Quote: Bruce McGee wrote: "Windows Live: Blurring the Distinction Between Software and Internet snip> The ideal is to tear down the barriers between the silos that store your data so that you (and only you) can decide which applications can use your data, and which data they can use. After all, whose data is it, anyway?" A partial answer to that question is, "Not Microsoft's". This all sounds like Passport II. http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/dnlive/html/WinLiveIDServ.asp "Since its inception, the Microsoft Passport service has existed in a digital world that is increasingly multi-centered and rich in contexts. This digital world requires the sharing and federation of identities and close attention to matters of user control. These requirements have led Microsoft to evolve the Passport service continuously. To emphasize this evolution, Microsoft is changing the name of the service to something more indicative of its specific contribution to the emerging "identity metasystem": the Windows Live ID service." Back to top Bruce McGee Guest Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 12:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Danny Thorpe in Toronto Henry wrote: Quote: A partial answer to that question is, "Not Microsoft's". This all sounds like Passport II. Yeah. I worry about things like lock in, code preservation, data security and any number of things that I consider long term risks to my business and peace of mind. I agree that "not Microsoft's" is a pretty good answer (especially given their track record), and I like "no one but me" even better. And I've been know to be a little cynical on the subject: http://blogs.msdn.com/dthorpe/archive/2006/04/21/581034.aspx But just because I don't belong to the "might as well go Microsoft" kool-aid club doesn't mean I don't like (and use) a bunch of their technology. Especially where they genuinely play well with others (read: no lock in and my choice of tools). Danny tells me that this is the case here, and that's enough for me to at least take a closer look at the guided tour from one of the guys working on the project. Having more (informed) options is almost always better. Plus, did I mention the beer sig? That's where you get all of the *really* interesting discussion. -- Regards, Bruce McGee Glooscap Software Back to top Bruce McGee Guest Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 12:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Danny Thorpe in Toronto Henry wrote: Quote: A partial answer to that question is, "Not Microsoft's". This all sounds like Passport II. Forgot to mention. I'm more interested in what Windows Live will do for me than I am in Windows Live ID, at least until I know more. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Passport_Network The section titled "Digital Rights" is the part that concerns me the most. Expect it to come up at the presentation. -- Regards, Bruce McGee Glooscap Software Back to top Bruce McGee Guest Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 1:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Danny Thorpe in Toronto I.P. Nichols wrote: Quote: http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/dnlive/html/WinLiveIDServ.asp "Since its inception, the Microsoft Passport service has existed in a digital world that is increasingly multi-centered and rich in contexts. This digital world requires the sharing and federation of identities and close attention to matters of user control. These requirements have led Microsoft to evolve the Passport service continuously. To emphasize this evolution, Microsoft is changing the name of the service to something more indicative of its specific contribution to the emerging "identity metasystem": the Windows Live ID service." And possibly because Microsoft had trouble convincing people to trust them with the keys to the kingdom. Passport makes sense as a single sign on just for Microsoft services, but I'm going to be more paranoid about anything more far reaching. http://www.theserverside.net/news/thread.tss?thread_id=29565 So, I'll listen to the facts (and not just Microsoft's), weigh the risks against the advantages, rant at least a little and then decide if it makes sense for me. -- Regards, Bruce McGee Glooscap Software Back to top Bruce McGee Guest Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 10:15 am    Post subject: Re: Danny Thorpe in Toronto Mat Ballard wrote: Quote: Can someone who'll be there please ask Danny about the place of "silos" in security principles. I'm sure someone will ask about security implications. -- Regards, Bruce McGee Glooscap Software Back to top Holger Flick Guest Posted: Sat May 20, 2006 2:14 am    Post subject: Re: Danny Thorpe in Toronto Bruce McGee wrote: Quote: Danny Thorpe will be speaking at the Toronto Delphi user group on Monday, June 19. Anybody here who wants to sponsor a flight from Germany to Toronto? :-) -- Holger Blog: http://www.flickdotnet.de Back to top Bruce McGee Guest Posted: Sat May 20, 2006 11:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Danny Thorpe in Toronto Holger Flick wrote: Quote: Anybody here who wants to sponsor a flight from Germany to Toronto? You arrange transportation and we'll find you a place to crash. And maybe even a baseball game. :) -- Regards, Bruce McGee Glooscap Software Back to top Pete Fraser Guest Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 1:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Danny Thorpe in Toronto I had to read that twice to get/assume the correct reading. If I catch a flight I definitely *don't* want a place to crash..... ....but I might like a place to sleep/recover from the flight. <g> Rgds Pete "Bruce McGee" <bmcgee (AT) glooscap (DOT) com> wrote in message news:xn0emgjiu8f2fb7003 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: Holger Flick wrote: Anybody here who wants to sponsor a flight from Germany to Toronto? :-) You arrange transportation and we'll find you a place to crash. And maybe even a baseball game. Back to top Bruce McGee Guest Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 4:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Danny Thorpe in Toronto Pete Fraser wrote: Quote: I had to read that twice to get/assume the correct reading. If I catch a flight I definitely don't want a place to crash..... ...but I might like a place to sleep/recover from the flight. g Right around the last time Holger visited we had a plane overshoot the runway, so I guess I could have phrased that differently. :) -- Regards, Bruce McGee Glooscap Software Back to top Wayne Niddery [TeamB] Guest Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 5:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Danny Thorpe in Toronto Bruce McGee wrote: Quote: Right around the last time Holger visited we had a plane overshoot the runway, so I guess I could have phrased that differently. Holger probably won't fly Air France. <g> -- Wayne Niddery - Logic Fundamentals, Inc. 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