BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Delhp application peeper Goto page 1, 2  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Thirdparty Tools (General) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Josh Guest Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 9:15 pm    Post subject: Delhp application peeper Hi all with DAP (http://www.devrace.com/en/dap/) it's possible to get the complete list of all the components i use in my delphi applications. Does anybody know if there is some security product that can be used in order to "hide" or encrypt this information? thanks in advance Back to top semack Guest Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 9:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Delhp application peeper I think no. The RTTI is opened at RunTime. Back to top JEM Guest Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 1:14 am    Post subject: Re: Delhp application peeper Quote: Does anybody know if there is some security product that can be used in order to "hide" or encrypt this information? Why would you need/want to do that? Back to top Josh Guest Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 9:15 am    Post subject: Re: Delhp application peeper Thank you Roger Surely I'll try Armadillo Actually i have tried ExeCryptor and Themida trials/demo version but as far as i can see, after protecting a test EXE and running Delphi application Peeper again, i am still able to get the complete list of components used inside the EXE (maybe these product offer some other option to avoid that but i could't find yet) "Roger Lascelles" Quote: Armadillo locks up your exe file so that it can't be read usefully. US$149 is not cheap, but it might have other features you can use. http://siliconrealms.com/index.shtml Back to top Roger Lascelles Guest Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 9:15 am    Post subject: Re: Delhp application peeper "Josh" <nospam_pls (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote in message news:4467741b$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: Hi all with DAP (http://www.devrace.com/en/dap/) it's possible to get the complete list of all the components i use in my delphi applications. Does anybody know if there is some security product that can be used in order to "hide" or encrypt this information? Armadillo locks up your exe file so that it can't be read usefully. US$149 is not cheap, but it might have other features you can use. http://siliconrealms.com/index.shtml I am sure others can recommend similar protection products, but unlike the others I tried, Armadillo is properly documented and with a decent user interface. Once your project details are configured, you run Armadillo, click a button and your exe is protected - this is a good workflow which doesn't hold you up. Roger Lascelles Back to top Josh Guest Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 9:15 am    Post subject: Re: Delhp application peeper Hi JEM basically because, if possibile, i would prefer that people can't know exactly what components i purchase (without source, only dcu version) and use JEM wrote: Quote: Does anybody know if there is some security product that can be used in order to "hide" or encrypt this information? Why would you need/want to do that? Back to top Mark Mannen Guest Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 10:15 am    Post subject: Re: Delhp application peeper Hi Josh Sorry, personally I know only one case when people do need to protect their tools from e.g. DAP - when they use non purchased components... What are other reasons? Best regards, Mark Back to top Josh Guest Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 11:14 am    Post subject: Re: Delhp application peeper Hi Mark sorry i don't agree, when I have purchased a dcu component (or even a source code version difficult to recompile) which for example is implementing a specific drawing engine, personally i would prefer not being possibile or at least not so being simple that anyone can immediately know which component i use or at least make it not so as quick as downloading DAP and get the complete list of componets used. best regards Quote: Hi Josh Sorry, personally I know only one case when people do need to protect their tools from e.g. DAP - when they use non purchased components... What are other reasons? Best regards, Mark Back to top Dmitry Kuzmenko Guest Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 12:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Delhp application peeper Hello, Josh! Josh wrote: Quote: sorry i don't agree, when I have purchased a dcu component (or even a source code version difficult to recompile) which for example is implementing a specific drawing engine, personally i would prefer not being possibile or at least not so being simple that anyone can immediately know which component i use or at least make it not so as quick as downloading DAP and get the complete list of componets used. Usualy component developers pefer (in license) you to mention them in About window or somewhere else. Really I don't see any need to hide what components were used in app, except to tell your boss that you have written all this by yourself :-) As I understand, DAP is similar to old WinSight tool (Íaybe I'm mistaken). But, for example, ProcExplorer from sysinternals.com show all dll info for running application. Even if you want to hide this info, you can't. -- Dmitri Kouzmenko, www.ibanalyst.com Back to top Aleksandr Tischenko Guest Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 12:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Delhp application peeper Yes, that could be a reason. However DAP is very useful too in development, I used it to work on big project (more then 100 forms), 99% of them were written by other people. However it would be useful to navigate to Delphi form Editor directly from running application (tip for developers ;-) And, if developers read this forum - I think its possible to develop tool that protects Application's RTTI with some password, so it can be used later to work with DAP. -- Best regards, Aleksandr Tischenko Borland Technology Partner, ISDEF member Shell+ Development Group - Make your Shell extensions with ease! http://www.shellplus.com "Josh" <nospam_pls (AT) nospam (DOT) com> ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ: news:44685f11$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: Hi Mark sorry i don't agree, when I have purchased a dcu component (or even a source code version difficult to recompile) which for example is implementing a specific drawing engine, personally i would prefer not being possibile or at least not so being simple that anyone can immediately know which component i use or at least make it not so as quick as downloading DAP and get the complete list of componets used. best regards Hi Josh Sorry, personally I know only one case when people do need to protect their tools from e.g. DAP - when they use non purchased components... What are other reasons? Best regards, Mark Back to top JEM Guest Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 1:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Delhp application peeper Quote: Sorry, personally I know only one case when people do need to protect their tools from e.g. DAP - when they use non purchased components... That was the only reason that I could see as well.. Back to top Mark Mannen Guest Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 1:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Delhp application peeper Hi JEM! Quote: That was the only reason that I could see as well.. Yep, afaik, DAP can help Delphi developers to see whether they've been swindled by some users. :) Best regards, Mark Back to top Jonathan Benedicto Guest Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 2:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Delhp application peeper Wil Vaccari wrote: Quote: Perhaps I should ask why these guys are curious about your motives and trigger an endeless loop If you do, please add a condition that the loop must not exceed 2147483647 iterations, otherwise we'll have a integer overflow here. <g> Jonathan Back to top Victor Trunov Guest Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 2:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Delhp application peeper Hi Josh, I don't believe DAP works via RTTI *after* start application for investigate. Citadel, ASProtect & etc. don't prevent it Quote: I believe that Citadel from BilleniumSoft may do what you're looking for. www.billeniumsoft.com. WBR, Victor Trunov Back to top TJC Support Guest Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 2:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Delhp application peeper "Victor Trunov" <nonspam (AT) nonspam (DOT) com> wrote in message news:446887d1$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: Hi Josh, I don't believe How about if we say it this way. It performs the function he's looking for. 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