BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Delphi 2005 and DVD availability Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Ingvar Nilsen Guest Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 3:39 pm    Post subject: Delphi 2005 and DVD availability In another very long thread we have been discussing the availability of PCs with a DVD player. Some claim DVDs are prevalent, others that they are more seldom. It is obvious that this varies much between countries and continents. Here is the situation in Norway. I called Komplett Data, about the largest shop here, www.komplettdata.no. The both do retail and assemble PCs, and sell to both private and to companies. Here are the statistics I got on the phone today: They assemble ~ 300 PCs every day, which is much here, and also sell packed PCs from other manufacturers. They have rarely sold *any* CD only machine in 2004 DVDs became the standard 2-3 years ago. Today almost every machine has DVD *burners* (not only players) The rest have DVD players So, from now on Delphi can safely be distributed DVD only at least on this side of the pond. It would surprise me if the figures are very different in the neighbor countries. -- Ingvar Nilsen Back to top Anders Isaksson Guest Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 3:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 and DVD availability On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:39:22 +0100, Ingvar Nilsen <telcontr (AT) online-not-this-part- (DOT) no> wrote: Quote: [...] Today almost every machine has DVD *burners* (not only players) The rest have DVD players So, from now on Delphi can safely be distributed DVD only at least on this side of the pond. It would surprise me if the figures are very different in the neighbor countries. For *new* computers in the stores, yes a DVD is almost mandatory, but note well that the typical company computer is not exchanged every year. Looking around me here at work, it's only the newest salesman laptops that have a DVD reader. On the programmers PC:s (which we will have to continue using for quite a while) there are no DVD readers (not even CD burners). On my home computer, OTOH, I have both a CD burner, and a DVD reader. So, from this unscientific investigation, we can deduce that among the possible Delphi buyers in Sweden, the DVD percentage is *very* low ) -- Anders Isaksson, Sweden BlockCAD: http://w1.161.telia.com/~u16122508/proglego.htm Gallery: http://w1.161.telia.com/~u16122508/gallery/index.htm Back to top Ingvar Nilsen Guest Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 4:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 and DVD availability Anders Isaksson wrote: Quote: For *new* computers in the stores, yes a DVD is almost mandatory, but note well that the typical company computer is not exchanged every year. Read my post again. They said DVDs became standard 2-3 years ago. Quote: So, from this unscientific investigation, we can deduce that among the possible Delphi buyers in Sweden, the DVD percentage is *very* low ) Huh? Almost all reports published here on D2005 have been run on rather new machines (judged from the CPU and RAM amount). I would like to see a PC here in Scandinavia speced for D2005 that does not have a DVD. -- Ingvar Nilsen Back to top Rick Carter Guest Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 4:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 and DVD availability Kudos to Ingvar for starting a new thread with a relevant Subject line! Anders Isaksson <anders.isaksson (AT) REMOVEcej (DOT) se> wrote: Quote: Looking around me here at work, it's only the newest salesman laptops that have a DVD reader. On the programmers PC:s (which we will have to continue using for quite a while) there are no DVD readers (not even CD burners). On my home computer, OTOH, I have both a CD burner, and a DVD reader. I think this is typical for large organizations to still be using a lot of computers with CD drives only. In my case, I'm not even a programmer by title; I'm an Engineering Technician. I'm fortunate enough that my company buys me a copy of Delphi Enterprise, and encourages me to do some programming when I have the time. But no way do I have enough "clout" in the organization to be able to demand a DVD drive, when no one else in my section has one. Rick Carter [email]carterrk (AT) despammed (DOT) com[/email] Chair, Delphi/Paradox SIG, Cincinnati PC Users Group Back to top Thomas Miller Guest Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 4:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 and DVD availability Not in the US. Ingvar Nilsen wrote: Quote: Read my post again. They said DVDs became standard 2-3 years ago. -- Thomas Miller Wash DC Delphi SIG Chairperson Delphi Client/Server Certified Developer BSS Accounting & Distribution Software BSS Enterprise Accounting FrameWork http://www.bss-software.com http://www.cpcug.org/user/delphi/index.html https://sourceforge.net/projects/uopl/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/dbexpressplus Back to top Uffe Kousgaard Guest Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 4:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 and DVD availability "Ingvar Nilsen" <telcontr (AT) online-not-this-part- (DOT) no> wrote Quote: I would like to see a PC here in Scandinavia speced for D2005 that does not have a DVD. My 4 year old pc meets the recommended requirements (see [url]http://www.borland.com/delphi/pdf/del2005_sysreqs.pdf)[/url], but it doesn't have a DVD drive and I use it for D2005. Do you want me to send a picture, so you can see for yourself? Besides that Borland could just include both CD and DVD. Regards Uffe Back to top Ingvar Nilsen Guest Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 4:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 and DVD availability Rick Carter wrote: Quote: Kudos to Ingvar for starting a new thread with a relevant Subject line! :-) Quote: I'm fortunate enough that my company buys me a copy of Delphi Enterprise, and encourages me to do some programming when I have the time. That's great, and an Enterprise to boot :-) Quote: But no way do I have enough "clout" in the organization to be able to demand a DVD drive, when no one else in my section has one. Do you subscribe to MSDN in your company? I believe few of the so called "hobbyists" do that, so it would be interesting to know the percentage of CD vs DVD subscriptions Microsoft has. Probably not public stats.. -- Ingvar Nilsen Back to top Ingvar Nilsen Guest Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 4:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 and DVD availability Uffe Kousgaard wrote: Quote: "Ingvar Nilsen" <telcontr (AT) online-not-this-part- (DOT) no> wrote in message news:41bf1650 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... I would like to see a PC here in Scandinavia speced for D2005 that does not have a DVD. My 4 year old pc meets the recommended requirements (see [url]http://www.borland.com/delphi/pdf/del2005_sysreqs.pdf)[/url], but it doesn't have a DVD drive and I use it for D2005. Do you want me to send a picture, so you can see for yourself? LOL! Yes BTW, Windows 95 had 4 Mb RAM as requirements... Well, you managed to start it with those specs Quote: Besides that Borland could just include both CD and DVD. "just" is a prohibited word in this context, I'm done with that part of the debate :) -- Ingvar Nilsen Back to top Ben Hochstrasser Guest Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 4:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 and DVD availability Ingvar Nilsen wrote: Quote: "just" is a prohibited word in this context, I'm done with that part of the debate Wuss! ;-) -- Ben Back to top David Farrell-Garcia Guest Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 5:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 and DVD availability Ingvar Nilsen wrote: Quote: They have rarely sold any CD only machine in 2004 DVDs became the standard 2-3 years ago. Ingvar. I think you may have misunderstood some of the posts. Virtually ALL new machines sold here in the USA include DVD players. However, not ALL developers have new machines. Many developers are still working off machines that are several years old, before DVD became common. CD is still the lowest common denominator. DVD players will read both CD and DVD while CD players will play only CD. Not only that but, most mainstream consumer application installations are not large enough to even use all the space available on a CD much less a DVD. Very few tool vendors offer their product on DVD today but it will change. Give it a couple more years. -- David Farrell-Garcia Whidbey Island Software LLC Posted with XanaNews 1.16.5.2 Back to top Kyle A. Miller Guest Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 5:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 and DVD availability Ingvar Nilsen wrote: Quote: In another very long thread we have been discussing the availability of PCs with a DVD player. Some claim DVDs are prevalent, others that they are more seldom. Haven't we been here before? Anyone remember moving from 5.25" to 3.5" floppies? What I wish Borland and software companies do is be brave, ship the product on DVD, and put a slip in the box saying "If you need this product on compact disc (CD), you may call xxx-xxx-xxxx and request compact discs for a shipping/handling fee." Something like that. Back to top Hrvoje Brozovic Guest Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 5:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 and DVD availability "Ingvar Nilsen" wrote in message Quote: LOL! Yes BTW, Windows 95 had 4 Mb RAM as requirements... Well, you managed to start it with those specs To start it and use old win31 apps. If you had 4MB win31 machine, you were safe to upgrade to win95 and continue to use old software. That is what was advertised. Win95 had fake ole32 in explorer.exe, for its own use. If you lounched any 32 bit application, real ole32 would be lounched in the process, explorer would switch to it, and your machine would starve, even after win32 app is closed. You were needed to reboot to have usable machine. Back to top David Farrell-Garcia Guest Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 5:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 and DVD availability Ingvar Nilsen wrote: Quote: Rick Carter wrote: Kudos to Ingvar for starting a new thread with a relevant Subject line! :-) I'm fortunate enough that my company buys me a copy of Delphi Enterprise, and encourages me to do some programming when I have the time. That's great, and an Enterprise to boot :-) But no way do I have enough "clout" in the organization to be able to demand a DVD drive, when no one else in my section has one. Do you subscribe to MSDN in your company? I believe few of the so called "hobbyists" do that, so it would be interesting to know the percentage of CD vs DVD subscriptions Microsoft has. Probably not public stats.. I have a MSDN Universal subscription on DVD. CD cost extra, IIRC. -- David Farrell-Garcia Whidbey Island Software LLC Posted with XanaNews 1.16.5.2 Back to top Alan Garny Guest Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 5:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 and DVD availability "David Farrell-Garcia" <davidf (AT) orcasoftware (DOT) com> wrote Quote: Ingvar Nilsen wrote: They have rarely sold any CD only machine in 2004 DVDs became the standard 2-3 years ago. Ingvar. I think you may have misunderstood some of the posts. Virtually ALL new machines sold here in the USA include DVD players. However, not ALL developers have new machines. Many developers are still working off machines that are several years old, before DVD became common. CD is still the lowest common denominator. DVD players will read both CD and DVD while CD players will play only CD. Not only that but, most mainstream consumer application installations are not large enough to even use all the space available on a CD much less a DVD. Very few tool vendors offer their product on DVD today but it will change. Give it a couple more years. In the BDN survey, when I answered it, 69% of us said to have a DVD player... Alan. Back to top Eric Grange Guest Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 5:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 and DVD availability Quote: [...] But no way do I have enough "clout" in the organization [...] You mean $30 of hardware would put them in the red? 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