BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Delphi 2005 - No C++ As Expected Goto page 1, 2  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> C++ Builder (Non-Technical) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Saulo I. Regis Guest Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:32 am    Post subject: Delphi 2005 - No C++ As Expected Borland announced today Delphi 2005 and C++ is out as expected! Saulo Back to top Chris Uzdavinis (TeamB) Guest Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:51 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 - No C++ As Expected "Saulo I. Regis" <saulo (AT) password (DOT) info> writes: Quote: Borland announced today Delphi 2005 and C++ is out as expected! What do you mean? -- Chris (TeamB); Back to top Saulo I. Regis Guest Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:58 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 - No C++ As Expected "Chris Uzdavinis (TeamB)" <chris (AT) uzdavinis (DOT) com> escreveu na mensagem news:j5pt3nl9sq.fsf (AT) explicit (DOT) atdesk.com... Quote: What do you mean? I mean that I had no expectation that Borland would launch a new version of C++ Builder inside the upcoming new release of Delphi (DiamondBack... 2005... whatever). Saulo Back to top Kenneth de Camargo Guest Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 1:16 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 - No C++ As Expected Saulo I. Regis wrote: Quote: "Chris Uzdavinis (TeamB)" <chris (AT) uzdavinis (DOT) com> escreveu na mensagem news:j5pt3nl9sq.fsf (AT) explicit (DOT) atdesk.com... What do you mean? I mean that I had no expectation that Borland would launch a new version of C++ Builder inside the upcoming new release of Delphi (DiamondBack... 2005... whatever). It was clearly stated that this wouldn't happen. -- Ken http://planeta.terra.com.br/educacao/kencamargo/ * this is not a sig * Back to top Chris Uzdavinis (TeamB) Guest Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 1:21 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 - No C++ As Expected "Saulo I. Regis" <saulo (AT) password (DOT) info> writes: Quote: "Chris Uzdavinis (TeamB)" <chris (AT) uzdavinis (DOT) com> escreveu na mensagem news:j5pt3nl9sq.fsf (AT) explicit (DOT) atdesk.com... What do you mean? I mean that I had no expectation that Borland would launch a new version of C++ Builder inside the upcoming new release of Delphi (DiamondBack... 2005... whatever). I had no such expectation either, since they said that at BorCon. :) I wasn't sure whose expectation you were talking about, which is why I asked. Since we're not going to hear their decision about what's happening with BCB until December 15 (though possibly earlier if they make the decision sooner), assuming they wait until the last day that's surely after Diamondback ships. -- Chris (TeamB); Back to top Remy Lebeau (TeamB) Guest Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 2:45 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 - No C++ As Expected "Saulo I. Regis" <saulo (AT) password (DOT) info> wrote Quote: I mean that I had no expectation that Borland would launch a new version of C++ Builder inside the upcoming new release of Delphi (DiamondBack... 2005... whatever). They already stated earlier that they were not going to include BCB into DiamondBack. Why did you expect them to do otherwise? They haven't even decided yet whether BCB is going to be continued or not. If it does get continued, it would most likely be included into the next major release after Diamondback. Gambit Back to top fwang11 Guest Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 3:43 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 - No C++ As Expected "Saulo I. Regis" <saulo (AT) password (DOT) info> wrote: Quote: Borland announced today Delphi 2005 and C++ is out as expected! Saulo With C# included, its title should not be Delphi anymore, it should be BDS - Borland Development Studio. Hope BC++B will be included in the next version BDS. Then, BDS will have Delphi, C# and C++. while MS.VS will have VB, C# and C++. That will be a good match. Back to top Jeff Overcash (TeamB) Guest Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 6:22 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 - No C++ As Expected fwang11 wrote: Quote: "Saulo I. Regis" <saulo (AT) password (DOT) info> wrote: Borland announced today Delphi 2005 and C++ is out as expected! Saulo With C# included, its title should not be Delphi anymore, it should be BDS - Borland Development Studio. And lose the Delphi branding? going with Kylix as a name and losing the Delphi branding. Delphi has a strong connotation and should not be dropped IMO. -- Jeff Overcash (TeamB) (Please do not email me directly unless asked. Thank You) A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. (RAH) Back to top Mark Jacobs Guest Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 8:57 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 - No C++ As Expected Let me make the announcement for you *NOW* "BCB is dead, so please migrate to Delphi or sink with the boat." -- Mark Jacobs DK Computing http://www.dkcomputing.co.uk "Chris Uzdavinis (TeamB)" <chris (AT) uzdavinis (DOT) com> wrote Quote: Since we're not going to hear their decision about what's happening with BCB until December 15 (though possibly earlier if they make the decision sooner), assuming they wait until the last day that's surely after Diamondback ships. Back to top Mark Jacobs Guest Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 9:01 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 - No C++ As Expected OK then, "Delphi Developer Studio" (DDS) instead. If it had BCB in it, I would upgrade, *BUT* I doubt we'll ever see anything past BCB v6 SP4 LNKR2. I can feel these things in my bones (I think it's called marrow... - get off!) -- Mark Jacobs DK Computing http://www.dkcomputing.co.uk "Jeff Overcash (TeamB)" <jeffovercash (AT) mindspring (DOT) com> wrote Quote: And lose the Delphi branding? with going with Kylix as a name and losing the Delphi branding. Delphi has a strong connotation and should not be dropped IMO. Back to top Lionel Reynaud Guest Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 9:03 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 - No C++ As Expected Hi ! "Saulo I. Regis" <saulo (AT) password (DOT) info> a écrit dans le message news: [email]416c7a50 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com[/email]... Quote: Borland announced today Delphi 2005 and C++ is out as expected! Yes, after Kylix, now BCB. The politic of Borland is quite obtuse. Why they waste years of work and know-how ? Lionel Back to top Andrue Cope [TeamB] Guest Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 10:08 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 - No C++ As Expected [snip cancelled message] Please do not post messages that appear to attribute ficticous statements to Borland. -- Andrue Cope [TeamB] [Bicester, Uk] http://info.borland.com/newsgroups/guide.html Back to top Saulo I. Regis Guest Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 2:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 - No C++ As Expected Quote: Since we're not going to hear their decision about what's happening with BCB until December 15 (though possibly earlier if they make the decision sooner), assuming they wait until the last day that's surely after Diamondback ships. It's more than frustration to see the third Delphi release emerging and not even one of C++ Builder in the same time frame! Saulo Back to top Mike Margerum Guest Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 2:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 - No C++ As Expected Quote: Well, I guess I'll give Palm about 3 years before it collapses, then! :-) Have you looked at whats in OS6? Its a generation ahead of symbian and m$ in features and security. You can completely lock down a phone so it can only run apps digitally signed by your approved list. When your app creates a database, no other process can open them without your apps approval. They are encrypted and available only to the creator app. Multi processing done the right way for these form factors. When your app leaves the foreground, it is killed off but you can keep lightweight threads running as opposed to the assinine m$ approach of leaving all apps running even when you close their main window until you are out of memory. Once you are out of memory, they start closing apps. Pluggable authenication manager for logins, biometrics, etc. built in schema databases with SQL support. Postscript type path-based drawing supporting scaling, alpha blending, Antialiasing, etc Its been around for 9 months so I would expect phones to be coming out in 5-6 months. Quote: It does seem that if a company is not big or cut-throat enough, then technical prowess is not sufficient to ensure its survival in the current marketplaces. Now, that's what I call a bad world - we reward brutality and punish intelligence! -- Big enough to have the best selling smartphone in the U.S. I don't think m$ can have a monopoly in this market because there are Back to top Marcelo R. Lopez, Jr. Guest Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2004 4:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 - No C++ As Expected Mike Margerum wrote: Quote: Well, I guess I'll give Palm about 3 years before it collapses, then! :-) Have you looked at whats in OS6? Its a generation ahead of symbian and m$ in features and security. You can completely lock down a phone so it can only run apps digitally signed by your approved list. Yes, this is great when you're creating a phone ( or system ) where you either are Digitally controlling content or any presenter of content to the user. However, as you might've noticed, the more manufacturers trying putting DRM into their products, people are working harder at breaking out of those constraints. Noted that even $1000 Symbian Phones ( The motorola UIQ 925 smartphone ) have had their DRM circumvented because if someone pays that much for a piece of hardware, they bloody well want to run whatever programs they right well please. Do you think it's going to be any different for $500 Palm Phone ? Or a PocketPC Phone ? Even those Danger HipTops from T-Mobile haven't hit the masses ( despite all their MTV advertising ) that they'd like it to. Why ? Because it comes out of the gate, only being able to run those things which T-Mobile wants to let you run on the unit. As long as that's the case, it won't reach the level of appeal that it could. Quote: Multi processing done the right way for these form factors. When your app leaves the foreground, it is killed off but you can keep lightweight threads running as opposed to the assinine m$ approach of leaving all apps running even when you close their main window until you are out of memory. Once you are out of memory, they start closing apps. I'm curious about how you qualify your statements with the "done the right way" phrase. It would seem you have a predisposition towards Palm and against PPC. Having come from a background where I've developed solutions for both, I can safely say that I both agree, and STRONGLY disagree with your assessment. Like with most things in life, the answer REALLY is "It depends". It depends on what it is you're trying to do in the background. If you're running some sort of application that will do reminders, or something relatively non-system resource/service-centric, then yes, zapping any UI resources is worthwhile for keeping the units resources as plentiful as possible. THe problem I find with Cobalt in this respect, is that YOU as a developer specifically MUST design your application around this. Frankly, the same thing CAN be done within PPC, but again, it's all in your approach. Obviously I'm not going to assume what you meant by "app leaves foreground", but in my case, I designed something where there was a UI process, and a service process. The service process could stay operational, even after the UI process had been exited by the user. Palm is definitely the undisputable king of the "I can use less resources than you" crown. However, I'm not convinced that Cobalt has gone far enough to bring Palm up to the level of system services and multiprocess ( not just multi-tasking ) support that most folks who've worked with PPC, are already used to. Of course, if a user decides to run several applications at once, and suddenly finds themselves without memory, it's inconvinient and sometimes a pain to go and exit applications, but I think that the actual number of users who get themselves into this state is DEFINITELY in the minority. Quote: Its been around for 9 months so I would expect phones to be coming out in 5-6 months. Oh yeah ? Name one manufacturer who's even HINTED at shipping a Cobalt-based PalmOS phone. Even the Treo 650 ( which is on the slowest boat to the U.S. that I've ever seen ) already is admittedly by PalmOne, NOT going to be Cobalt-based. Of the Samsungs, and Motorola's in the world, there's also been no concrete word of their developing a Cobalt-based Phone. As a matter of fact, if you follow the market of smart/pda phones, you'll note that even though Palm has recently signed three ODM's, that none of them SPECIFICALLY mention anything about either using Cobalt, or that they expect to have phone available in the time frame you describe. http://www.bargainpda.com/default.asp?newsID=2232 http://www.engadget.com/entry/6674682824635557/ ( Brush up on your french <or just use BabelFish> when looking at this one...with pictures for those of you who like to drool over cell-phones ): http://www.mobinaute.com/mobinaute/article.php?id=20040928124012 You'll note that in the pictures of this unit, that it A) Apprears to be running in a resolution less than the QVGA quote to be Cobalt's spec'd resolution ( at 160x240 ) B) None of the UI elements look like Cobalt to me. ( Of course I might be blind, but I'll defer to the consensus vote if others disagree with me. ) Marcelo Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> C++ Builder (Non-Technical) All times are GMT Goto page 1, 2  Next Page 1 of 2   Jump to: Select a forum C++ Builder Newsgroups----------------C++ BuilderC++ Builder (ActiveX)C++ Builder (Announcements)C++ Builder (Command Line Tools)C++ Builder DatabasesC++ Builder Databases (ADO)C++ Builder Databases (Desktop)C++ Builder Databases (InterBase Express)C++ Builder Databases (Multi-Tier)C++ Builder Databases (SQL Servers)C++ Builder (Graphics)C++ Builder (IDE)C++ Builder (Internet)C++ Builder (Internet Socket)C++ Builder (Internet Web)C++ Builder (Jobs)C++ Builder (Language)C++ Builder (Language C++)C++ Builder (Compatibility with MFC)C++ Builder (Native API)C++ Builder (Non-Technical)C++ Builder (Students)C++ Builder (Third Party Tools)C++ Builder (Upgrade)C++ Builder (VCL)C++ Builder (VCL Components Usage)C++ Builder (VCL Components Development)C++ Builder (VCL Usage)C++ Builder (WinAPI)C++ Builder Installation Delphi Newsgroups----------------Delphi (General)Delphi ActiveX Controls UsageDelphi ActiveX Controls DevelopmentDelphi As400Delphi DatabasesDelphi Databases (ADO)Delphi Databases (dbExpress)Delphi Databases (Desktop)Delphi Databases (InterBase Express)Delphi Databases (Multi-Tier)Delphi Databases (SQL Servers)Delphi DeploymentDelphi GraphicsDelphi IDEDelphi InternationalizationDelphi InternetDelphi Internet Isapi-WebBrokerDelphi Internet WebSnapDelphi Internet WinsockDelphi JobsDelphi Language BASMDelphi Language ObjectPascalDelphi Model Driven Architecture (General)Delphi Model Driven Architecture (Third Party)Delphi MultimediaDelphi Native APIDelphi Non-TechnicalDelphi ObjectPascalDelphi OLE AutomationDelphi OO designDelphi OpenToolsAPIDelphi Reporting-ChartingDelphi RTLDelphi StudentsDelphi TeamSourceDelphi Thirdparty ToolsDelphi Thirdparty Tools (General)Delphi Thirdparty Tools (IntraWeb)Delphi Thirdparty Tools (RaveReports)Delphi UpgradeDelphi VCLDelphi VCL ComponentsDelphi VCL Components UsingDelphi VCL Components WritingDelphi WebServices SOAPDelphi WinAPIDelphi XMLDelphi Installationcomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.misccomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.usagecomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.writingcomp.lang.pascal.delphi.databasescomp.lang.pascal.delphi.misccomp.sources.delphi JBuilder Newsgroups----------------JBuilderJBuilder AnnouncementsJBuilder Applet IssuesJBuilder As400JBuilder CompilerJBuilder CORBA/RMIJBuilder DatabasesJBuilder DB SwingJBuilder DebuggerJBuilder DeploymentJBuilder DocumentationJBuilder EnterpriseJBuilder HandheldJBuilder IDEJBuilder JavaJBuilder JavaAPIJBuilder Java LanguageJBuilder Java SwingJBuilder Java BeansJBuilder Java Beans UsageJBuilder Java Beans DevelopmentJBuilder JBCLJBuilder JDataStoreJBuilder JobsJBuilder LinuxJBuilder MacintoshJBuilder & MobileSetJBuilder MultiLingual AppsJBuilder Non-TechnicalJBuilder OpenToolsJBuilder Servlets (JSP)JBuilder StudentsJBuilder Team DevelopmentJBuilder Thirdparty ToolsJBuilder UpgradeJBuilder Installation InterBase Newsgroups----------------InterBaseInterBase Bug DiscussionInterBase GeneralInterBase IBConsoleInterBase OpenSourceInterBase ReplicationInterBase SQLInterBase ThirdpartyInterBase Installation Miscellaneous Borland Newsgroups----------------AppCenterAppServerEnteraVisiBroker  You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2006 phpBB Group SEO toolkit © 2004-2006 webmedic.