BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Delphi 2005 Personal no sources at all? Goto page 1, 2, 3  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] Guest Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 11:19 am    Post subject: Delphi 2005 Personal no sources at all? I installed a copy of Delphi 2005 Personal on a computer in my clinic. I was a little flabbergasted to find out that it did not contain ANY source files, not even the header translations like Windows.pas or ShellAPI.pas. It also did not contain any .int files, like older Standard versions used to have: they contained the interface sections of the source files. Especially since many types are not easy to find or don't have any definitions at all in the documentation, I think that the lack of at least .int files is an oversight which should be corrected in a next Personal version, if we ever see one. -- Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] http://velthuis.homepage.t-online.de "C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg." - Bjarne Stroustrup Back to top Max Guest Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 11:35 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 Personal no sources at all? German Dentists are able to afford Architect versions (source included)! "Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]" <velthuis (AT) gmail (DOT) com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:xn0e3votk4dxgsf00e-velthuis (AT) www (DOT) teamb.com... Quote: I installed a copy of Delphi 2005 Personal on a computer in my clinic. I was a little flabbergasted to find out that it did not contain ANY source files, not even the header translations like Windows.pas or ShellAPI.pas. It also did not contain any .int files, like older Standard versions used to have: they contained the interface sections of the source files. Especially since many types are not easy to find or don't have any definitions at all in the documentation, I think that the lack of at least .int files is an oversight which should be corrected in a next Personal version, if we ever see one. -- Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] http://velthuis.homepage.t-online.de "C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg." - Bjarne Stroustrup Back to top Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] Guest Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 11:42 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 Personal no sources at all? At 13:35:54, 24.06.2005, Max wrote: Quote: German Dentists are able to afford Architect versions (source included)! Only if they are a member of TeamB and get it for free. I personally would only buy the Pro version (as I have done in the past). Still, I installed it because it came with c't and wanted to try it. It is blazingly fast, even in this - unpatched - version. -- Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] http://velthuis.homepage.t-online.de "A picture is worth a thousand words (which is why it takes a thousand times longer to load...)" -- Eric Tilton, Composing Good HTML Back to top Steve Heights Guest Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 12:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 Personal no sources at all? Quote: Still, I installed it because it came with c't and wanted to try it. It is blazingly fast, even in this - unpatched - version. Please define "blazingly fast". I got my copy of D2005 Personal a while ago and played around with it a bit, I find the speed doable (compared to D7 Pro, that I still use most of the time). I didn't have any of the problems that some of the people in this newsgroup complain about. I have to say, though, that I'm running it on a four year old 1 Ghz PIII with a mere 256 Megs of RAM. BTW, have you had any problems installing it from the c't-DVD? I recommended c't-magazine to a friend of mine who wanted to get D2005. And I don't know what he did, but he later told me, the install somehow corrupted his computer, that even windows wouldn't want to boot up. Fortunately he was using an imaging-utility (ironically one that he got from the same magazine a few issues ago). Steve Back to top Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] Guest Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 12:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 Personal no sources at all? At 14:02:27, 24.06.2005, Steve Heights wrote: Quote: Still, I installed it because it came with c't and wanted to try it. It is blazingly fast, even in this - unpatched - version. Please define "blazingly fast". I got my copy of D2005 Personal a while ago and played around with it a bit, I find the speed doable (compared to D7 Pro, that I still use most of the time). I meant the IDE, and I meant comparable to D7. In unpatched D2005Arch, I noticed some slight delays when swithcing windows or tabs. Does not happen in D2005Pers at all. The compilers are all equally fast, and so is the produced code. -- Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] http://velthuis.homepage.t-online.de "Quotation confesses inferiority." -- Ralph Waldo Emerson Back to top Brion L. Webster Guest Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 5:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 Personal no sources at all? Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] wrote: Quote: I installed a copy of Delphi 2005 Personal on a computer in my clinic. I was a little flabbergasted to find out that it did not contain ANY source files, not even the header translations like Windows.pas or ShellAPI.pas. It also did not contain any .int files, like older Standard versions used to have: they contained the interface sections of the source files. Especially since many types are not easy to find or don't have any definitions at all in the documentation, I think that the lack of at least .int files is an oversight which should be corrected in a next Personal version, if we ever see one. I honestly believe this is "As Designed" in the Personal versions. The Personal versions are not just renamed Standard versions, and it's not fair to compare the two. -Brion Back to top Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] Guest Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 5:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 Personal no sources at all? At 19:21:55, 24.06.2005, Brion L. Webster wrote: Quote: I honestly believe this is "As Designed" in the Personal versions. The Personal versions are not just renamed Standard versions, and it's not fair to compare the two. I'm sure it is "as designed", but I wonder why even the .int files are missing. They are absolutely necessary for any serious program, even if it is non-commercial leisure programming. -- Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] http://velthuis.homepage.t-online.de "Behind every great fortune there is a crime." - Honore de Balzac (1799-1850) Back to top Dave White Guest Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 6:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 Personal no sources at all? "Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]" <velthuis (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote Quote: I'm sure it is "as designed", but I wonder why even the .int files are missing. They are absolutely necessary for any serious program, even if it is non-commercial leisure programming. How come "They are absolutely necessary "? In all the years that I've used Delphi (since D1), I've NEVER once used the .int files. Dave White Back to top Brion L. Webster Guest Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 7:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 Personal no sources at all? Dave White wrote: Quote: "Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]" <velthuis (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote... I'm sure it is "as designed", but I wonder why even the .int files are missing. They are absolutely necessary for any serious program, even if it is non-commercial leisure programming. How come "They are absolutely necessary "? In all the years that I've used Delphi (since D1), I've NEVER once used the .int files. I must confess I don't have a clue what the .int files are... other than something that might show up if I did a "dir *.int /s" somewhere... I also don't think the Personal edition is intended for "serious" programming. I'm guessing the Borland powers-that-be think "serious" programmers pay money for their tools, or are long bearded, suspenders wearing, ectomorphic gcc zealots. -Brion Back to top Brion L. Webster Guest Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 7:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 Personal no sources at all? Brion L. Webster wrote: Quote: How come "They are absolutely necessary "? In all the years that I've used Delphi (since D1), I've NEVER once used the .int files. I must confess I don't have a clue what the .int files are... other than something that might show up if I did a "dir *.int /s" somewhere... I suspect Rudy made a typo. C:Program FilesBorland>dir *.int /s/p Volume in drive C has no label. Volume Serial Number is C8BF-8107 Directory of C:Program FilesBorlandDelphi6Doc 05/21/2001 11:00 PM 290,282 BDE.int 05/21/2001 11:00 PM 6,256 DRIntf.int 02/15/2002 03:02 PM 794 Invoker.int 05/21/2001 11:00 PM 896 InvRules.int 05/21/2001 11:00 PM 1,242 Rio.int 05/21/2001 11:00 PM 3,275 WCompReg.int 6 File(s) 302,745 bytes Directory of C:Program FilesBorlandDelphi7Doc 08/09/2002 08:00 AM 3,033 Rio.int 1 File(s) 3,033 bytes Total Files Listed: 7 File(s) 305,778 bytes 0 Dir(s) 58,211,995,648 bytes free This box has Delphi 8 & 2005 installed as well, and those don't ship with ..int files. The .int files appear to be artifacts of the Win32 Help system. ..inc files, on the other hand, might make sense. Between the four versions of Delphi I have 25 different include files, like getmem.inc. Then again, I've never looked inside these files that I recall, either. -Brion Back to top Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] Guest Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 8:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 Personal no sources at all? At 20:58:00, 24.06.2005, Dave White wrote: Quote: "Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]" <velthuis (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:xn0e3vyre7z83s006-velthuis (AT) www (DOT) teamb.com... I'm sure it is "as designed", but I wonder why even the .int files are missing. They are absolutely necessary for any serious program, even if it is non-commercial leisure programming. How come "They are absolutely necessary "? In all the years that I've used Delphi (since D1), I've NEVER once used the .int files. I have. Especially in a version of Delphi where many types are not fully documented, I think they should be included. -- Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] http://velthuis.homepage.t-online.de "If you need more than five lines to prove something, then you are on the wrong track" -- Edgser W. Dijkstra's mother [ibid, p. 55] Back to top Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] Guest Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 8:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 Personal no sources at all? At 21:53:33, 24.06.2005, Brion L. Webster wrote: Quote: I must confess I don't have a clue what the .int files are... I explained it in my messages. Take a .pas file, delete the implementation part, and save it as an .int file. The standard SKUs provided .int files of all source files the higher SKUs had, in a directory called Doc. -- Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] http://velthuis.homepage.t-online.de "Vote early and vote often." - Al Capone (1899-1947) Back to top Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] Guest Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 8:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 Personal no sources at all? At 21:57:52, 24.06.2005, Brion L. Webster wrote: Quote: Brion L. Webster wrote: How come "They are absolutely necessary "? In all the years that I've used Delphi (since D1), I've NEVER once used the .int files. I must confess I don't have a clue what the .int files are... other than something that might show up if I did a "dir *.int /s" somewhere... I suspect Rudy made a typo. No, see my explanation. -- Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] http://velthuis.homepage.t-online.de "No one can earn a million dollars honestly." - William Jennings Bryan (1860-1925) Back to top Steve Heights Guest Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 8:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 Personal no sources at all? Quote: I suspect Rudy made a typo. No, probably not. As you can see from [1] *.int-files seem to contain the interface-section of your unit only, useful when you want to distribute compiled units in order to hide the implementation but still give the other person an idea of you interface-section. I must admit though that the last time I saw such files was in the days when one could buy TPUs for Turbo Pascal that would come with the *.int file as kind of a documentation for the interface. I can't seem to find any *.int-files though in my D7 or D8 (Pro) install, either. Steve [1] http://www.google.com/search?q=delphi+%22int-files%22 Back to top Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] Guest Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 8:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 Personal no sources at all? At 22:19:13, 24.06.2005, Steve Heights wrote: Quote: I must admit though that the last time I saw such files was in the days when one could buy TPUs for Turbo Pascal that would come with the *.int file as kind of a documentation for the interface. I can't seem to find any *.int-files though in my D7 or D8 (Pro) install, either. You only got them in the versions without source, i.e. Standard. -- Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] http://velthuis.homepage.t-online.de "Sometimes a scream is better than a thesis." - Ralph Waldo Emerson (1803-1882) Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical All times are GMT Goto page 1, 2, 3  Next Page 1 of 3   Jump to: Select a forum C++ Builder Newsgroups----------------C++ BuilderC++ Builder (ActiveX)C++ Builder (Announcements)C++ Builder (Command Line Tools)C++ Builder DatabasesC++ Builder Databases (ADO)C++ Builder Databases (Desktop)C++ Builder Databases (InterBase Express)C++ Builder Databases (Multi-Tier)C++ Builder Databases (SQL Servers)C++ Builder (Graphics)C++ Builder (IDE)C++ Builder (Internet)C++ Builder (Internet Socket)C++ Builder (Internet Web)C++ Builder (Jobs)C++ Builder (Language)C++ Builder (Language C++)C++ Builder (Compatibility with MFC)C++ Builder (Native API)C++ Builder (Non-Technical)C++ Builder (Students)C++ Builder (Third Party Tools)C++ Builder (Upgrade)C++ Builder (VCL)C++ Builder (VCL Components Usage)C++ Builder (VCL Components Development)C++ Builder (VCL Usage)C++ Builder (WinAPI)C++ Builder Installation Delphi Newsgroups----------------Delphi (General)Delphi ActiveX Controls UsageDelphi ActiveX Controls DevelopmentDelphi As400Delphi DatabasesDelphi Databases (ADO)Delphi Databases (dbExpress)Delphi Databases (Desktop)Delphi Databases (InterBase Express)Delphi Databases (Multi-Tier)Delphi Databases (SQL Servers)Delphi DeploymentDelphi GraphicsDelphi IDEDelphi InternationalizationDelphi InternetDelphi Internet Isapi-WebBrokerDelphi Internet WebSnapDelphi Internet WinsockDelphi JobsDelphi Language BASMDelphi Language ObjectPascalDelphi Model Driven Architecture (General)Delphi Model Driven Architecture (Third Party)Delphi MultimediaDelphi Native APIDelphi Non-TechnicalDelphi ObjectPascalDelphi OLE AutomationDelphi OO designDelphi OpenToolsAPIDelphi Reporting-ChartingDelphi RTLDelphi StudentsDelphi TeamSourceDelphi Thirdparty ToolsDelphi Thirdparty Tools (General)Delphi Thirdparty Tools (IntraWeb)Delphi Thirdparty Tools (RaveReports)Delphi UpgradeDelphi VCLDelphi VCL ComponentsDelphi VCL Components UsingDelphi VCL Components WritingDelphi WebServices SOAPDelphi WinAPIDelphi XMLDelphi Installationcomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.misccomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.usagecomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.writingcomp.lang.pascal.delphi.databasescomp.lang.pascal.delphi.misccomp.sources.delphi JBuilder Newsgroups----------------JBuilderJBuilder AnnouncementsJBuilder Applet IssuesJBuilder As400JBuilder CompilerJBuilder CORBA/RMIJBuilder DatabasesJBuilder DB SwingJBuilder DebuggerJBuilder DeploymentJBuilder DocumentationJBuilder EnterpriseJBuilder HandheldJBuilder IDEJBuilder JavaJBuilder JavaAPIJBuilder Java LanguageJBuilder Java SwingJBuilder Java BeansJBuilder Java Beans UsageJBuilder Java Beans DevelopmentJBuilder JBCLJBuilder JDataStoreJBuilder JobsJBuilder LinuxJBuilder MacintoshJBuilder & MobileSetJBuilder MultiLingual AppsJBuilder Non-TechnicalJBuilder OpenToolsJBuilder Servlets (JSP)JBuilder StudentsJBuilder Team DevelopmentJBuilder Thirdparty ToolsJBuilder UpgradeJBuilder Installation InterBase Newsgroups----------------InterBaseInterBase Bug DiscussionInterBase GeneralInterBase IBConsoleInterBase OpenSourceInterBase ReplicationInterBase SQLInterBase ThirdpartyInterBase Installation Miscellaneous Borland Newsgroups----------------AppCenterAppServerEnteraVisiBroker  You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2006 phpBB Group SEO toolkit © 2004-2006 webmedic.