BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Delphi 2005 Update 1 not enough? Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Alvaro GP Guest Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2004 12:52 am    Post subject: Delphi 2005 Update 1 not enough? I haven't installed it yet, but from what I've read it seems that the Update 1 leaves many important things unfixed. Given the high number of issues addressed by Update 1 and the ones still to come, can we say that Delphi 2005 is the most buggy Delphi ever released? (Just curious, because I never used Delphi 4). Back to top Craig Farrell Guest Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2004 12:58 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 Update 1 not enough? Hi, Quote: can we say that Delphi 2005 is the most buggy Delphi ever released? No. --Craig Back to top Sergey M Guest Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2004 1:27 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 Update 1 not enough? Quote: Update 1 leaves many important things unfixed. Given the high number of issues addressed by Update 1 and the ones still to come, can we say that Delphi 2005 is the most buggy Delphi ever released? (Just curious, because I never used Delphi 4). I've used all versions of Delphi and nothing beats D4 in my book. So, I'd say no, it's not the buggiest version ever. Quote: Update 1 leaves many important things unfixed. They probably wanted to have as many issues addressed as possible before the next (scheduled) updated is out. That's just my guess. -- Sergey Mishkovskiy http://www.usysware.com/dpack/ - GExperts like VS.NET add-ins http://www.usysware.com/blog/ Back to top Bryce K. Nielsen Guest Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2004 1:31 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 Update 1 not enough? Quote: Given the high number of issues addressed by Update 1 and the ones still to come, can we say that Delphi 2005 is the most buggy Delphi ever released? (Just curious, because I never used Delphi 4). I've used all versions of Delphi and nothing beats D4 in my book. So, I'd say no, it's not the buggiest version ever. Dunno, 2 is pretty high up there. Has anyone noticed if the memory leaks have been fixed? I applied it today, and it's not gushing memory like before (at one time, I had about 500mb in memory, and 1.6gb in virtual memory), but it seems like it is still leaking a bit... -BKN Back to top Edwin Lau Guest Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2004 2:09 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 Update 1 not enough? Well, I believe they want to get an update out as quickly as possible especially to fix the memory leak and the slow boot up. It seems a lot smoother and better. I would think it is a good thing that they are coming out with small patches rather than to get one big one and make us wait for it. I am sure we would be seeing Update 2 soon but as it is, I think I can be ready to do some work. It seems fast enough for me. Slower than D7 but not too bad. Edwin "Alvaro GP" <alvarogp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote Quote: I haven't installed it yet, but from what I've read it seems that the Update 1 leaves many important things unfixed. Given the high number of issues addressed by Update 1 and the ones still to come, can we say that Delphi 2005 is the most buggy Delphi ever released? (Just curious, because I never used Delphi 4). Back to top Jim Rowell Guest Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2004 2:10 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 Update 1 not enough? "Alvaro GP" <alvarogp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote Quote: I haven't installed it yet, but from what I've read it seems that the Update 1 leaves many important things unfixed. Given the high number of issues addressed by Update 1 and the ones still to come, can we say that Delphi 2005 is the most buggy Delphi ever released? (Just curious, because I never used Delphi 4). Well, I'm very impressed at how soon they got the update out. Apparantly, there are more issues to be addressed but it's a huge list of fixes in the current update. Thank you Borland for releasing this much now instead of waiting until some far date in the future. Hopefully they are continuing to put the full list together and whacking off the items one by one. Presumably, another update is on the horizon. This method of putting out a constant flow of updates is far, far better than everyone having to wait months and months for anything at all. I'd hate to see them feel chastized for fixing what they've achieved to date just because every single item isn't completed yet. That kind of feeling could lead to nice, safe, semi-annual point releases instead of timely updates. Let's not go there! Thank you, Borland. :-) Jim Rowell Back to top JED Guest Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2004 2:15 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 Update 1 not enough? Bryce K. Nielsen wrote: Quote: Dunno, 2 is pretty high up there. Has anyone noticed if the memory leaks have been fixed? I applied it today, and it's not gushing memory like before (at one time, I had about 500mb in memory, and 1.6gb in virtual memory), but it seems like it is still leaking a bit... -BKN Is it leaking or is it to do with garbage collection? Don't confuse the two. -- QC Client: http://www.alphalink.com.au/~jed/QC/ Blog: http://jedqc.blogspot.com/ Configure Delphi 2005 the way you want it to be: www.alphalink.com.au/~jed/dcm.htm Checkout my code central submissions for D2005 http://cc.borland.com/ccweb.exe/author?authorid=205627 Back to top Jason Southwell Guest Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2004 2:31 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 Update 1 not enough? Quote: can we say that Delphi 2005 is the most buggy Delphi ever released? No. Excluding Delphi 8, then Yes. Back to top Sam Guest Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2004 2:39 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 Update 1 not enough? Bryce K. Nielsen wrote: Quote: Given the high number of issues addressed by Update 1 and the ones still to come, can we say that Delphi 2005 is the most buggy Delphi ever released? (Just curious, because I never used Delphi 4). I've used all versions of Delphi and nothing beats D4 in my book. So, I'd say no, it's not the buggiest version ever. Dunno, 2 is pretty high up there. Has anyone noticed if the memory leaks have been fixed? I applied it today, and it's not gushing memory like before (at one time, I had about 500mb in memory, and 1.6gb in virtual memory), but it seems like it is still leaking a bit... -BKN I couldn't quite crack the 1GB total memory usage with the initial release, but 10 minutes after installing the service pack I got to 1.97GB. I was simply debugging a call to a web service in a Delphi.net winforms application and the machine went crazy. I watched the memory going up about 50MB a second before settling down just before reaching 2GB. Without Delphi the RAM usage was around 280MB. When is the 2nd patch due? Just kidding, hopefully it's an isolated incident. Back to top JED Guest Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2004 3:02 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 Update 1 not enough? Sam wrote: Quote: Bryce K. Nielsen wrote: Given the high number of issues addressed by Update 1 and the ones >> still to come, can we say that Delphi 2005 is the most buggy Delphi >> ever released? (Just curious, because I never used Delphi 4). I've used all versions of Delphi and nothing beats D4 in my book. So, I'd say no, it's not the buggiest version ever. Dunno, 2 is pretty high up there. Has anyone noticed if the memory leaks have been fixed? I applied it today, and it's not gushing memory like before (at one time, I had about 500mb in memory, and 1.6gb in virtual memory), but it seems like it is still leaking a bit... -BKN I couldn't quite crack the 1GB total memory usage with the initial release, but 10 minutes after installing the service pack I got to 1.97GB. I was simply debugging a call to a web service in a Delphi.net winforms application and the machine went crazy. I watched the memory going up about 50MB a second before settling down just before reaching 2GB. Without Delphi the RAM usage was around 280MB. When is the 2nd patch due? Just kidding, hopefully it's an isolated incident. Oh no. What are your specs? I have 2 machines where I had no memory issues. Wonder if I should install the update now... -- QC Client: http://www.alphalink.com.au/~jed/QC/ Blog: http://jedqc.blogspot.com/ Configure Delphi 2005 the way you want it to be: www.alphalink.com.au/~jed/dcm.htm Checkout my code central submissions for D2005 http://cc.borland.com/ccweb.exe/author?authorid=205627 Back to top Captain Jake Guest Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2004 4:00 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 Update 1 not enough? Alvaro GP <alvarogp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message <41cb6831 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com> Quote: I haven't installed it yet, but from what I've read it seems that the Update 1 leaves many important things unfixed. Given the high number of issues addressed by Update 1 and the ones still to come, can we say that Delphi 2005 is the most buggy Delphi ever released? (Just curious, because I never used Delphi 4). I don't think so. The original release of D4 was not even useable. D8 had some serious problems. Judging from the newsgroups D2005 is not near as buggy as either of those, even before the update. I bought D8 at BorCon2003 because I got it at half-price. Ended up not using it, but I did use D7 that came free with it. My main reason for not using D8 was that I did not do any . NET development (I'm sure not going to use .Net in version 1.0 of my newsreader.) -- ***Free Your Mind*** Posted with JSNewsreader-BETA 0.9.4.361 Back to top Christopher Burke Guest Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2004 4:50 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 Update 1 not enough? Captain Jake wrote: Quote: I don't think so. The original release of D4 was not even useable. D8 had some serious problems. Judging from the newsgroups D2005 is not near as buggy as either of those, even before the update. I've been able to use D1-D7 out of the box in the real world, D2005 just can't even do sample stuff let alone real world stuff and D8 just never happenned ... so ... I still think D2005 is the winner (or loser). Back to top Joe Hendricks Guest Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2004 5:01 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 Update 1 not enough? "Christopher Burke" <borlandng (AT) craznar (DOT) com> wrote in message Quote: ...D2005 just can't even do sample stuff let alone real world stuff... After today's update ? JoeH Back to top Richard Grossman Guest Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2004 6:33 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 Update 1 not enough? Jim Rowell wrote: Quote: Well, I'm very impressed at how soon they got the update out. I'd hate to see them feel chastized for fixing what they've achieved to date just because every single item isn't completed yet. That kind of feeling could lead to nice, safe, semi-annual point releases instead of timely updates. Let's not go there! Agreed. -- "Darmok and Jalad, at Tenagra" Back to top Christopher Burke Guest Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2004 8:18 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 Update 1 not enough? Joe Hendricks wrote: Quote: "Christopher Burke" <borlandng (AT) craznar (DOT) com> wrote in message ...D2005 just can't even do sample stuff let alone real world stuff... After today's update ? That's not really 'out of the box' - however I've got a refund, so I don't think it appropriate to re-install the beast now. I'll wait until alot of the IDE bugs are fixed later before I pay my money again. 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