BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Delphi 2005 Update 4 IS needed !!! Goto page 1, 2, 3 ... 10, 11, 12  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Dave Hamdon Guest Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 3:58 pm    Post subject: Delphi 2005 Update 4 IS needed !!! I read some threads joking that Dexter is Update 4. This isn't a joke and is not acceptable. I just went thru the entire process to prove that staying with Borland Delphi is a sound business plan. This plan included using Delphi 2005 which we are now NOT using. We have moved back to Delphi 7 because of all the broken technology we use in our project. I can almost guarantee that Borland will not make it to the next version of the product if we tell them we need D2006 even though we didn't use D2005. Update 4, for us, needs to have these fixes: 1. Sockets (TSocketConnection) fix (show stopper) Some might say I can just fix the units that are broke. Nope. The two units that seem to be the cause are SConnect.pas & ScktComp.pas. ScktComp.pas is in the RTL90.bpl package which, if you turn on packages, is one that is always required. We NEED packages turned on because we have a plugin architecture which requires TApplication to be shared between the host and all packages. 2. COM+ Transactional Wizards (secret key in Dexter not acceptable) 3. Startup D2005, then open project, wait 30 seconds to 1 minute before project opens 4. Borland Socket Server fix.(although I can recompile it with the fix quite easily). The cause is the new TCustomForm property "PopupMode" introduced in D8. See http://blogs.borland.com/abauer/archive/2004/02/10/295.aspx 5. Many IDE crashes which I can not explain. Read these groups to get details. What do other people think is needed in Update 4? ( Well, there should be one!) last ditch attempt, madH Back to top Dallas Goldswain Guest Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 4:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 Update 4 IS needed !!! Dave Hamdon wrote: Quote: What do other people think is needed in Update 4? ( Well, there should be one!) I think it is, but they will probably make us upgrade to the new version to have all the fixes.. if they do do that, I am expecting a better price than the upgrade route, but I see the D8 never got that wait and see -- --- Dallas Goldswain www.retro-eddy.co.za Back to top Mansour Ghaoui Guest Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 4:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 Update 4 IS needed !!! Quote: if they do do that, I am expecting a better price than the upgrade route, but I see the D8 never got that wait and see Yeah. I'm still waiting for Borland to come up with an acceptable compensation for everybody who made the mistake of buying Delphi 8. I lost a hell of a lot of credit because I was pushing for our company to get it and it turned out to be a big pile of ... Anyways.. my 2c. Moni Back to top Peter Morris [Droopy eyes Guest Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 4:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 Update 4 IS needed !!! In my opinion D8 was far worse than D2005, which I personally find to be a very good product. Anyway, my point is, if people who bought D8 didn't get anything then I doubt people who bought D2005 will get anything either. -- Pete ==== ECO Modeler, Audio compression components, DIB graphics controls, FastStrings http://www.droopyeyes.com Read or write articles on just about anything http://www.HowToDoThings.com My blog http://blogs.slcdug.org/petermorris/ Back to top Dallas Goldswain Guest Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 4:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 Update 4 IS needed !!! Peter Morris [Droopy eyes software] wrote: Quote: In my opinion D8 was far worse than D2005, which I personally find to be a very good product. Anyway, my point is, if people who bought D8 didn't get anything then I doubt people who bought D2005 will get anything either. Sad it is, I mean we have a policy here at work, If a product we sell is not 100% , we swop it or fix it, not make them buy the next version -- --- Dallas Goldswain www.retro-eddy.co.za Back to top Paul Dolen Guest Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 4:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 Update 4 IS needed !!! Quote: Update 4, for us, needs to have these fixes: Are there QC reports for all of those? But, well, my personal guess is that you are out of luck on 2005. There are many who agree with you that an update 4 is needed, but I personally doubt we will se it. Back to top steve-o Guest Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 4:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 Update 4 IS needed !!! "Dave Hamdon" <not (AT) not (DOT) com> wrote Quote: What do other people think is needed in Update 4? ( Well, there should be one!) last ditch attempt, madH Sounds like you're hosed, dude... Back to top Phil Barber Guest Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 Update 4 IS needed !!! "Dave Hamdon" <not (AT) not (DOT) com> wrote Quote: I read some threads joking that Dexter is Update 4. This isn't a joke and is not acceptable. I just went thru the entire process to prove that staying with Borland Delphi is a sound business plan. This plan included using Delphi 2005 which we are now NOT using. We have moved back to Delphi 7 because of all the broken technology we use in our project. I can almost guarantee that Borland will not make it to the next version of the product if we tell them we need D2006 even though we didn't use D2005. I have testing with VS2005 (in beta) and it is more stable than D2005 after 2 service packs! now thats just sad!! Phil. Back to top Kevin Berry Guest Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 Update 4 IS needed !!! Phil Barber wrote: Quote: I have testing with VS2005 (in beta) and it is more stable than D2005 after 2 service packs! now thats just sad!! Incidentally, my experience with VS .NET 2003 is that the form inheritance is all cocked up. I now have to use C#Builder (2005) to edit inherited forms because VS .NET 2003 can't cut it (it moves form elements all over the place and loses properties). So it isn't all roses in the VS camp. I guess it all depends what you're doing with VS.NET. Or perhaps VS.NET 2005 Beta is more stable and bug-free than VS.NET 2003 release version? ;-) Cheers, Kevin. Back to top Serge Goupinets Guest Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 Update 4 IS needed !!! Dallas Goldswain wrote: Quote: Peter Morris [Droopy eyes software] wrote: In my opinion D8 was far worse than D2005, which I personally find to be a very good product. Anyway, my point is, if people who bought D8 didn't get anything then I doubt people who bought D2005 will get anything either. Sad it is, I mean we have a policy here at work, If a product we sell is not 100% , we swop it or fix it, not make them buy the next version You must have unlimited resources then. Or perhaps you are sitting on top of a gold mine. Well, you see it is not the case for Borland. They are very short of money and other resources and must care then not about us the customers but rather about their shareholders. Serge Goupinets Back to top TObject Guest Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 Update 4 IS needed !!! "Peter Morris [Droopy eyes software]" <pete (AT) NO_droopyeyes_SPAM (DOT) com> wrote Quote: Anyway, my point is, if people who bought D8 didn't get anything then I doubt people who bought D2005 will get anything either. What we got is experience, and a push to look elsewhere. While the majority waiting for Delphi 2005 was still in the dark, those of us who jumped on the Delphi 8 bandwagon quickly realized what was coming. Delphi 8 was a great learning tool. Back to top DS Guest Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 7:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 Update 4 IS needed !!! Well, at least DeXter is going to be solid product. (Because it simply *has* to be). LP, Dejan Back to top Peter Morris [Droopy eyes Guest Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 7:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 Update 4 IS needed !!! Quote: Incidentally, my experience with VS .NET 2003 is that the form inheritance is all cocked up. I now have to use C#Builder (2005) to edit inherited forms because VS .NET 2003 can't cut it (it moves form elements all over the place and loses properties). So it isn't all roses in the VS camp. I guess it all depends what you're doing with VS.NET. Or perhaps VS.NET 2005 Beta is more stable and bug-free than VS.NET 2003 release version? That's odd, because that happens to me in D2005 with C# inherited forms. Back to top Kostya Guest Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 7:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 Update 4 IS needed !!! Quote: Well, you see it is not the case for Borland. They are very short of money and other resources and must care then not about us the customers but rather about their shareholders. What a level of understanding. You would make splendid salesman telling this point of view to your customers. Tell them that they are only exist to feed shareholders. Kostya Back to top Serge Goupinets Guest Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 7:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2005 Update 4 IS needed !!! Kostya wrote: Quote: Well, you see it is not the case for Borland. They are very short of money and other resources and must care then not about us the customers but rather about their shareholders. What a level of understanding. You would make splendid salesman telling this point of view to your customers. Tell them that they are only exist to feed shareholders. Kostya That's why I am not in the sales business. I would hate to lie for living. 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