BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Delphi 2006 - How about a Multilingual DVD Release?          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Michael Stum Guest Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 2:05 am    Post subject: Delphi 2006 - How about a Multilingual DVD Release? Just some random thought: I think it would be a good idea to release Delphi 2006 (Whatever it will be called) on DVD in all Languages - at least in Europe. Basically, in the year 2005, you can assume a DVD drive. Honestly, they sell for $20 and less. In Europe, a DVD Drive is very common. I know that, in the USA, companies like Hewlett Packard are still selling Computers with CD-ROM Drives and 256 MB RAM (-64 MB Shared VGA). But honestly - these pesky machines are not the target. (Delphi 2006 Personal is out of discussion here). And in larger companies, the software will be copied to the network anyway. So a DVD Release would be perfectly ok. Then, about the Multilanguage part. I think you should include German, French and English Versions. If I am correct, Delphi 2005 does not come with printed documentation anymore (My Professional Update did not have any, but I am not sure if my ex-Boss took it). So there is no additional cost for the manual. On the other hand, it would help Developers as we wouldn't need to "disassemble" the consts.dcu that come with the trial version in order to get some localized strings. Furthermore, we could choose which one to take. No Update yet for the French Version? Ok, take the english one. Problems understanding something in the english version? Ok, we got the german Help Files. So, I think: If you make German and French translations, you should include them on the european Delphi 2006 DVD. I know the argument "Translation costs money. If you buy the french Delphi, part of the money goes to Borland France. If you buy the english one, no money for Borland France/Germany". True. But not our problem - solve that internally. I see the possible Delay - the english version is most likely RTM earlier than the translated. Well, sell the "US Version" then until the "European Multilanguage Version" is ready. If someone really really wants the new Delphi ASAP - he can get it. If someone has use for the translated Versions - he would need to wait anyway. Comments? Thoughs? Back to top Craig Guest Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 2:45 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2006 - How about a Multilingual DVD Release? Quote: Just some random thought: I think it would be a good idea to release Delphi 2006 (Whatever it will be called) on DVD in all Languages - at least in Europe. Basically, in the year 2005, you can assume a DVD drive. Honestly, they sell for $20 and less. In Europe, a DVD Drive is very common. I agree having a multilingual DVD *option* would be good. But shipping as DVD only would not be. I only just bought a DVD drive for my PC a few days ago, and my work PC which is relatively new doesn't have one. Craig, www.h3k.biz Back to top Lauchlan M Guest Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 3:05 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2006 - How about a Multilingual DVD Release? Quote: Just some random thought: I think it would be a good idea to release Delphi 2006 (Whatever it will be called) on DVD in all Languages - at least in Europe. Basically, in the year 2005, you can assume a DVD drive. Honestly, they sell for $20 and less. Comments? Thoughs? I haven't got a DVD drive (and never felt the PC was lacking), and see no reason to assume everyone else does. I think you have two seperate points: (i) make all language versions and updates available at the same time (ii) put them all on one DVD I agree with the first, but not the second. Equally you could argue that "everybody" has a fast internet connection these days, so why doesn't borland put all language versions of the products online for registered users and people can download what they like. Lauchlan M Back to top Michael Stum Guest Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 3:27 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2006 - How about a Multilingual DVD Release? Lauchlan M schrieb: Quote: Just some random thought: I think it would be a good idea to release Delphi 2006 (Whatever it will be called) on DVD in all Languages - at least in Europe. Basically, in the year 2005, you can assume a DVD drive. Honestly, they sell for $20 and less. Comments? Thoughs? I haven't got a DVD drive (and never felt the PC was lacking), and see no reason to assume everyone else does. I think you have two seperate points: (i) make all language versions and updates available at the same time (ii) put them all on one DVD I agree with the first, but not the second. Equally you could argue that "everybody" has a fast internet connection these days, so why doesn't borland put all language versions of the products online for registered users and people can download what they like. Well, I can only see it from my Point of View. At least for Germany, you can assume a high spread of DVD Drives. You cannot assume a fast Internet Connection though. In the US, it seems the other way round. I did not say "make all language versions available at the same time" - if german/french needs a month longer, fine. I say: "Put all languages in one Box". This would not work with CDs - you would need 6 or 7 CDs in the Box, thus increasing costs. For a DVD, it does not make a difference if you have 1.8 or 4.4 Gigabytes on the Disc, only if you need more (Second Layer), then the cost would be higher. The tarhet audience is clear - german and french users. Everyone else just grabs the English version anyway. So it would be important to see the spread of DVD Drives in german and french areas. As I said: I think that there is a high amount of DVD Drives in germany, but I do not have any numbers. I do not know about France. Anyway, i would definitely purchase a Multilingual DVD. I would even pay a little bit more for it. Back to top JED Guest Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 4:12 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2006 - How about a Multilingual DVD Release? Lauchlan M wrote: Quote: I think you have two seperate points: (i) make all language versions and updates available at the same time (ii) put them all on one DVD I agree with the first, but not the second. The option would be nice though if you do have a dvd drive (or 4). -- www.jed-software.com Back to top Lauchlan M Guest Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 4:40 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2006 - How about a Multilingual DVD Release? Quote: Lauchlan M wrote: I think you have two seperate points: (i) make all language versions and updates available at the same time (ii) put them all on one DVD I agree with the first, but not the second. The option would be nice though if you do have a dvd drive (or 4). Sure, but how is it all that dfferent to getting the Delphi German/French/Japanese/whatever version each on 3 CDs? The main issue is the developer _getting_ the language versions in a timely manner, rather than the media it comes on. Or so it would seem to me . . . Having it on a DVD (eventually) would not make it arrive any quicker, and perhaps make it slower, as they would have to wait till all language versions are ready before burning the DVD. Providing the product by internet on the otherhand can cut a step in the production process (preparing CDs, boxes etc for that language), and furthermore can be readily and dynamically updated with changes. ie, providing the product by internet (in advance of providing the disks) can offer some real advantages. I don't see what advantages putting it on DVD offers, and if it does, there's nothing to the developer burning a DVD (for their own use) from their internet download. Lauchlan M Back to top JED Guest Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 5:07 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2006 - How about a Multilingual DVD Release? Lauchlan M wrote: Quote: Sure, but how is it all that dfferent to getting the Delphi German/French/Japanese/whatever version each on 3 CDs? I want the option of dvd distribution to be available regardless of the language items mentioned already. For starters, the product shipped on 3 CDs. Throw in the extra StarTeam CD, the Companion CD and the 2 thirdparty CDs and there's a nice full DVD (with perhaps some overflow). As for multiple languages why would everyone want a copy of the IDE in each language. Just to have the consts*.pas files translated and shipped (which is a request in QC) should be sufficient. Quote: (i) make all language versions and updates available at the same time Also this would delay the english version of the product which probably isn't an ideal solution. Although if the consts*.pas files were to be shipped you wouldn't expect it to delay the shipping on the english version too much as it wouldn't require QA being done on the different language IDEs before shipping - unless a translated string needed to be changed. -- www.jed-software.com Back to top Eric Grange Guest Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 8:38 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2006 - How about a Multilingual DVD Release? Quote: Comments? Thoughs? All of D2005 CDs fit on a single DVD (had to burn one because my D2k5 CDs were practically unreadable, only one machine managed to access them, and then only very slowly). Cheapest DVD reader is 15 ¤, cheapest CD reader is 17 ¤ (both figures with VAT included), we've been getting DVD for years around here (France), first DVD readers, then DVD burners. Even sub 400 ¤ PCs come with multistandard DVD burners. Maybe having a CD-version for the US/english-only and a DVD edition for Europe? Or just add the DVD in addition to the CDs in the European edition since it's more expensive anyway? Eric Back to top Guillem Guest Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 10:28 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2006 - How about a Multilingual DVD Release? Hi, "Michael Stum" <devnull (AT) stum (DOT) de> escribió en el mensaje news:42b62473 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: Just some random thought: I think it would be a good idea to release Delphi 2006 (Whatever it will be called) on DVD in all Languages - at least in Europe. Agreed Quote: Then, about the Multilanguage part. I think you should include German, French and English Versions. speaking of which, why only those? I know you can't translate the IDE and the helps files to all languages in the world, but there are some major languages (by quantity of people that speak it, no offence to other languages ), to which it could be translated. Examples could be Spanish, Portuguese-Brazilian (i know there are differences but not to what point), Chinese (i think Mandarin is the majority language there) or whatever is the majority language in India (totally ignorant in this, sorry :) Quote: I know the argument "Translation costs money. If you buy the french Delphi, part of the money goes to Borland France. If you buy the english one, no money for Borland France/Germany". True. But not our problem - solve that internally. as for me, i would gladly help to translate the IDE and help to Spanish. Not that i have a problem with English, but this one i only speak since i was 12 or so, while Spanish is one of my mother languages (can you say it so in English?). It's always easier for me in Spanish as in English. And i do know that a lot of people in spanish forums have sometimes problems with English language. Other comments or thoughts? Any replies from Borland? -- Best regards :) Guillem Vicens Dep. informática Green Service SA www.clubgreenoasis.com -- In order to send me a mail, remove the -nospam Back to top Yannis Guest Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 7:38 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2006 - How about a Multilingual DVD Release? Based on the technology build in to Enterprise and architect versions of delphi there is no need ot have multiple environments for multiple languages you can have resource dlls which will be loaded dynamically on user request. I would rather see a new delphi IDE based on this technology making life easier for people translating the environment and at the same time having to downoload/share some resource dlls/units instead of a new compiler release for each language. Regards Yannis. Back to top Michael Stum Guest Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 10:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 2006 - How about a Multilingual DVD Release? 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