BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Delphi 7 Updates          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Peter Herijgers Guest Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2004 12:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 7 Updates To my knowledge only SP1 is available. Peter. "Godfrey" <none> wrote Quote: Hi What is the latest on D7 updates? Have the bugs been sorted. Can I download and install? Thanks Back to top Steve Fuller Guest Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2004 3:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 7 Updates Peter Herijgers wrote: Quote: To my knowledge only SP1 is available. Peter. "Godfrey" <none> wrote Hi What is the latest on D7 updates? Have the bugs been sorted. Can I download and install? Thanks I doubt there will be another patch. Instead a move to D9, when available and at considerbale cost, will be the answer. D7 is the worst Delphi release in terms of bugs (some unforgivable) since the diabolical first version of D4. Remember the length of time it took to start your app with integrated debugging turned on? Steve Back to top Godfrey Guest Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2004 8:03 pm    Post subject: Delphi 7 Updates Hi What is the latest on D7 updates? Have the bugs been sorted. Can I download and install? Thanks Back to top Craig Stuntz [TeamB] Guest Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 1:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 7 Updates Peter Herijgers wrote: Quote: To my knowledge only SP1 is available. There is a public beta of post-SP1 fixes to DataSnap, as well. Also, an IBX update (7.0 from Jeff Overcash's page on http://cc.borland.com -Craig -- Craig Stuntz [TeamB] . Vertex Systems Corp. . Columbus, OH Delphi/InterBase Weblog : http://blogs.teamb.com/craigstuntz Everything You Need to Know About InterBase Character Sets: http://blogs.teamb.com/craigstuntz/articles/403.aspx Back to top Paul Dolen Guest Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 8:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 7 Updates The compiler optimizer was broken by 7.1 and no word on if they will fix it. On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 13:03:39 -0700, "Godfrey" <none> wrote: Quote: Hi What is the latest on D7 updates? Have the bugs been sorted. Can I download and install? Thanks Back to top Craig Stuntz [TeamB] Guest Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 1:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 7 Updates Paul Dolen wrote: Quote: The compiler optimizer was broken by 7.1 Um, one specific bug was introduced. I think you're overstating the problem. -Craig -- Craig Stuntz [TeamB] . Vertex Systems Corp. . Columbus, OH Delphi/InterBase Weblog : http://blogs.teamb.com/craigstuntz Useful articles about InterBase development: http://blogs.teamb.com/craigstuntz/category/21.aspx Back to top John O'Harrow Guest Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 5:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 7 Updates "Craig Stuntz [TeamB]" <cstuntz (AT) nospam (DOT) please [a.k.a. vertexsoftware.com]> wrote in message news:412201bf$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: Paul Dolen wrote: The compiler optimizer was broken by 7.1 Um, one specific bug was introduced. I think you're overstating the problem. I don't believe Paul is overstating the problem at all. That "one specific bug" affects EVERY compiled program. regards, John Back to top Craig Stuntz [TeamB] Guest Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 5:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 7 Updates John O'Harrow wrote: Quote: Um, one specific bug was introduced. I think you're overstating the problem. I don't believe Paul is overstating the problem at all. That "one specific bug" affects EVERY compiled program. You do understand the difference between "affecting every program" and "no optimization," right? The optimizer does more than one task. The effect on many programs from this case will be close to nothing. On other apps, it's serious. Folks should look at the QC discussion and see if it's applicable to their work. -Craig -- Craig Stuntz [TeamB] . Vertex Systems Corp. . Columbus, OH Delphi/InterBase Weblog : http://blogs.teamb.com/craigstuntz Back to top Paul Dolen Guest Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 8:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 7 Updates Quote: You do understand the difference between "affecting every program" and "no optimization," right? The optimizer does more than one task. And you do understand that when someone says something is "broken" they often do not mean 100% non-functional, but rather it generally means at least part of its functionality is significantly impaired. Back to top Craig Stuntz [TeamB] Guest Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 9:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 7 Updates Paul Dolen wrote: Quote: And you do understand that when someone says something is "broken" they often do not mean 100% non-functional, but rather it generally means at least part of its functionality is significantly impaired. I think it's entirely fair to read a phrase like "the compiler optimizer was broken by 7.1" as meaning it doesn't work at all. I think it's *quite* unlikely that someone who is not familiar with the issue would read that phrase as meaning "one specific defect which may or may not affect your app was introduced into the optimizer." It is, at the very least, vague, and I think misleading. So don't complain too much when I clarify that there is only one problem and it may not affect your apps at all. There is no need to insist on vague terminology. -Craig -- Craig Stuntz [TeamB] . Vertex Systems Corp. . Columbus, OH Delphi/InterBase Weblog : http://blogs.teamb.com/craigstuntz Everything You Need to Know About InterBase Character Sets: http://blogs.teamb.com/craigstuntz/articles/403.aspx Back to top zedd Guest Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 6:21 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi 7 Updates Quote: So don't complain too much when I clarify that there is only one problem and it may not affect your apps at all. Short of a program that does nothing, your programs _will_ be affected, the only debatable point is if they will be affected in an obvious fashion, but affected they will be. What I find most irritating is your backhanded dismissal of what can be a significant compiler optimization issue, and your acceptance that Borland doing nothing about it isn't that bad. Delphi Win32 isn't .Net or Java, poor compiler performance isn't a customer expectation. Z Back to top Paul Dolen Guest Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 5:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 7 Updates Quote: There is no need to insist on vague terminology. My original post wasn't intended on being definitive "terminology". It was more "conversational". Quote: I think it's entirely fair to read a phrase like "the compiler optimizer was broken by 7.1" as meaning it doesn't work at all. I think it's *quite* unlikely that someone who is not familiar with the issue would read that phrase as meaning "one specific defect which may or may not affect your app was introduced into the optimizer." Well, I would hope that most people would figure that if it was 100% broken, there would be massive push to get it fixed. Basically, I think you were reading more into my statement than anybody reasonably would do so. But, feel free to clarify the issue as much as you feel like it. Back to top Nick Hodges [TeamB] Guest Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 5:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 7 Updates Paul Dolen wrote: Quote: Basically, I think you were reading more into my statement than anybody reasonably would do so. Just as a side note -- having read these groups for going on ten years, I can assure you that the above is /not/ true. In other words, a simple statement like yours very easily and very often turns into a newsgroup "meme". -- Nick Hodges -- TeamB Lemanix Corporation -- http://www.lemanix.com Read my Blog -- http://www.lemanix.com/nick Back to top Craig Stuntz [TeamB] Guest Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 5:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 7 Updates Paul Dolen wrote: Quote: There is no need to insist on vague terminology. My original post wasn't intended on being definitive "terminology". It was more "conversational". I agree; your original post did not. It was your reply, criticizing me for clarifying, which insisted on being vague. Quote: Basically, I think you were reading more into my statement than anybody reasonably would do so. "Reasonable" does not always characterize how people read posts here, sorry to say. I try to clarify when I see something which I consider likely to be misinterpreted. -Craig -- Craig Stuntz [TeamB] . Vertex Systems Corp. . 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