BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Delphi 8 Prediction Goto page 1, 2  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Richard Grossman Guest Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2003 11:30 pm    Post subject: Delphi 8 Prediction I'm predicting that Delphi 8 will be a major upgrade to the entire IDE (in addition to the .Net support) and will contain some major surprises, especially for anyone expecting only an incremental upgrade + .Net. Or has Borland already said this? Since I'm not in the beta and have no special inside knowledge whatsoever, I'm at liberty to predict what I like, albeit with the corresponding lack of certainty. <g> So is anyone taking bets? Back to top Holger Dors Guest Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2003 7:26 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi 8 Prediction Quote: I'm predicting that Delphi 8 will be a major upgrade to the entire IDE (in addition to the .Net support) and will contain some major surprises, especially for anyone expecting only an incremental upgrade + .Net. Are you referring to Octane as Delphi 8? Because, as far as I understood what I've seen at EKON7 last week, Octane is "Delphi for ..NET" and not Delphi 8. IMHO, Delphi 8 would be "Delphi for VCL V8.0", and there's currently no sign of this. Holger Back to top Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) Guest Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2003 12:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 8 Prediction Holger Dors wrote: Quote: IMHO, Delphi 8 would be "Delphi for VCL V8.0", and there's currently no sign of this. The .NET preview also comes with a VCL for .NET, so the .NET version would be a Delphi for VCL as well. Did you mean "Delphi for Win32"? -- Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) "Java, the best argument for Smalltalk since C++." -- unknown Back to top Joe Real Guest Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2003 3:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 8 Prediction In article <3f798a93 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com>, [email]dors (AT) kittelberger (DOT) de[/email] says... Quote: Rudy Velthuis wrote: The .NET preview also comes with a VCL for .NET, so the .NET version would be a Delphi for VCL as well. Did you mean "Delphi for Win32"? Seems I'm slowly getting confused by all those possible combinations for the Delphi Language: VCL, CLX, Win32, Linux, .NET.... :-) Yes, "Delphi for Win32" is probably the right term. It is called Delphi 7 if I remember correctly :-) Back to top Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) Guest Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2003 4:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 8 Prediction Joe Real wrote: Quote: Yes, "Delphi for Win32" is probably the right term. It is called Delphi 7 if I remember correctly Yes, but the talk was about the next release. <g> -- Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) "Give me chastity and continence, but not yet." -- Saint Augustine (354-430) Back to top Richard Grossman Guest Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2003 3:40 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi 8 Prediction Richard Grossman wrote: Quote: I'm predicting that Delphi 8 will be a major upgrade to the entire IDE (in addition to the .Net support) and will contain some major surprises, especially for anyone expecting only an incremental upgrade + .Net. Or has Borland already said this? Since I'm not in the beta and have no special inside knowledge whatsoever, I'm at liberty to predict what I like, albeit with the corresponding lack of certainty. So is anyone taking bets? Okay, since there are no bites, I'll go a step further and say that I think the next version of Delphi will be revolutionary... Now any bets? Back to top fh Guest Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2003 5:30 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi 8 Prediction "Richard Grossman" <rgrossmanDELETE-THIS-PART (AT) techIII (DOT) com> wrote Quote: Richard Grossman wrote: Okay, since there are no bites, I'll go a step further and say that I think the next version of Delphi will be revolutionary... Now any bets? "Webvolutionary" Back to top Lauchlan M Guest Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2003 6:22 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi 8 Prediction Quote: Okay, since there are no bites, I'll go a step further and say that I think the next version of Delphi will be revolutionary... Now any bets? "Webvolutionary" ..net, MDA, ALM I predict 90% of their effort will be engaging with .NET, ALM and MDA issues, and anything else they do to improve Delphi IDE for Win 32 users will be a pure bonus. Lauchlan M Back to top Atmapuri Guest Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2003 6:42 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi 8 Prediction H! Quote: I predict 90% of their effort will be engaging with .NET, ALM and MDA issues, and anything else they do to improve Delphi IDE for Win 32 users will be a pure bonus. Very likely. But it is also very likely that many users trying .NET will decide to fall back to W32... Atmapuri. Back to top Michael Schnell Guest Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2003 9:12 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi 8 Prediction Quote: Yes, "Delphi for Win32" is probably the right term. Hopefully you are very wrong and it's "Delphi for Platform Independent Assemblies" <g> (BTW.: this includes Win64) -Michael Back to top Lauchlan M Guest Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2003 10:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 8 Prediction Quote: I predict 90% of their effort will be engaging with .NET, ALM and MDA issues, and anything else they do to improve Delphi IDE for Win 32 users will be a pure bonus. Very likely. But it is also very likely that many users trying .NET will decide to fall back to W32... I didn't say anything either way on this. I just said most of the development effort would be in .NET, ALM and MDA. FWIW, I think a lot of people will stick with Delphi for Win 32 over the next couple of years for client/desktop applications where they don't control the desktop (eg for utility apps to be downloaded from the internet where a 20MB runtime package is prohibitive) but begin to go .NET on the server side or places where they can control the desktop (eg within a corporation) and thereby insist on the latest .NET 20MB runtime package being installed. That is, in those cases where people can be bothered learning the .NET framework which is uneven (shines in part, appalling in others). Lauchlan M Back to top Chris Burrows Guest Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2003 12:36 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi 8 Prediction "Lauchlan M" <LMackinnon (AT) NOSPAMHotmail (DOT) com> wrote Quote: FWIW, I think a lot of people will stick with Delphi for Win 32 over the next couple of years for client/desktop applications where they don't control the desktop (eg for utility apps to be downloaded from the internet where a 20MB runtime package is prohibitive) but begin to go .NET on the server side or places where they can control the desktop (eg within a corporation) and thereby insist on the latest .NET 20MB runtime package being installed. This is a very short term issue. The next releases of Windows will have the ..NET runtime pre-installed. One way or another Microsoft will ensure that it is on your desktop sooner rather than later. What I like about .NET Framework is that I can now distribute GUI apps that are 10's or maybe 100's of KB rather than the *minimum* 400K associated with D7 GUI .EXEs. With many thousands of downloads / month the cost of hosting downloads and having to pay for additional bandwidth has become a significant issue for us. Being able to reduce that overhead by a factor of ten will make a real difference. Chris Burrows CFB Software http://www.cfbsoftware.com Back to top Lauchlan M Guest Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2003 5:09 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi 8 Prediction Quote: This is a very short term issue. The next releases of Windows will have the .NET runtime pre-installed. And you think everyone upgrades their OS whenever MS wants to push people along to the next one? I don't think so! Lauchan M Back to top Chris Burrows Guest Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2003 6:09 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi 8 Prediction "Lauchlan M" <LMackinnon (AT) NOSPAMHotmail (DOT) com> wrote Quote: This is a very short term issue. The next releases of Windows will have the .NET runtime pre-installed. And you think everyone upgrades their OS whenever MS wants to push people along to the next one? I don't think so! Not immediately - but it is better to be one step ahead of your customers than one step behind. The situation we always are up against is that when people get a new PC they get the latest version of the OS. I would not like to repeat the experience I had in a previous life with customers demanding a 'Win32' version of our application when we had a perfectly good Win16 version. Similarly going from DOS to Windows - it took a couple of painful years just to catch up. Just take a look at the pressure Borland is under to get a .NET version of Delphi out. We're preparing for it now so that when the demand does happen we'll be ready for it. Chris Burrows CFB Software http://www.cfbsoftware.com Back to top Brion L. Webster Guest Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2003 3:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 8 Prediction "fh" <fh2 (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote... Quote: "Webvolutionary" Believe it or not, I still have one of those bumper stickers. Ashamed to show it to anyone, though. -- -Brion Team JEDI, 2001 Spirit of Delphi Award Winners http://www.delphi-jedi.org Fresno Area Delphi Users Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FresnoDelphi Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical All times are GMT Goto page 1, 2  Next Page 1 of 2   Jump to: Select a forum C++ Builder Newsgroups----------------C++ BuilderC++ Builder (ActiveX)C++ Builder (Announcements)C++ Builder (Command Line Tools)C++ Builder DatabasesC++ Builder Databases (ADO)C++ Builder Databases (Desktop)C++ Builder Databases (InterBase Express)C++ Builder Databases (Multi-Tier)C++ Builder Databases (SQL Servers)C++ Builder (Graphics)C++ Builder (IDE)C++ Builder (Internet)C++ Builder (Internet Socket)C++ Builder (Internet Web)C++ Builder (Jobs)C++ Builder (Language)C++ Builder (Language C++)C++ Builder (Compatibility with MFC)C++ Builder (Native API)C++ Builder (Non-Technical)C++ Builder (Students)C++ Builder (Third Party Tools)C++ Builder (Upgrade)C++ Builder (VCL)C++ Builder (VCL Components Usage)C++ Builder (VCL Components Development)C++ Builder (VCL Usage)C++ Builder (WinAPI)C++ Builder Installation Delphi Newsgroups----------------Delphi (General)Delphi ActiveX Controls UsageDelphi ActiveX Controls DevelopmentDelphi As400Delphi DatabasesDelphi Databases (ADO)Delphi Databases (dbExpress)Delphi Databases (Desktop)Delphi Databases (InterBase Express)Delphi Databases (Multi-Tier)Delphi Databases (SQL Servers)Delphi DeploymentDelphi GraphicsDelphi IDEDelphi InternationalizationDelphi InternetDelphi Internet Isapi-WebBrokerDelphi Internet WebSnapDelphi Internet WinsockDelphi JobsDelphi Language BASMDelphi Language ObjectPascalDelphi Model Driven Architecture (General)Delphi Model Driven Architecture (Third Party)Delphi MultimediaDelphi Native APIDelphi Non-TechnicalDelphi ObjectPascalDelphi OLE AutomationDelphi OO designDelphi OpenToolsAPIDelphi Reporting-ChartingDelphi RTLDelphi StudentsDelphi TeamSourceDelphi Thirdparty ToolsDelphi Thirdparty Tools (General)Delphi Thirdparty Tools (IntraWeb)Delphi Thirdparty Tools (RaveReports)Delphi UpgradeDelphi VCLDelphi VCL ComponentsDelphi VCL Components UsingDelphi VCL Components WritingDelphi WebServices SOAPDelphi WinAPIDelphi XMLDelphi Installationcomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.misccomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.usagecomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.writingcomp.lang.pascal.delphi.databasescomp.lang.pascal.delphi.misccomp.sources.delphi JBuilder Newsgroups----------------JBuilderJBuilder AnnouncementsJBuilder Applet IssuesJBuilder As400JBuilder CompilerJBuilder CORBA/RMIJBuilder DatabasesJBuilder DB SwingJBuilder DebuggerJBuilder DeploymentJBuilder DocumentationJBuilder EnterpriseJBuilder HandheldJBuilder IDEJBuilder JavaJBuilder JavaAPIJBuilder Java LanguageJBuilder Java SwingJBuilder Java BeansJBuilder Java Beans UsageJBuilder Java Beans DevelopmentJBuilder JBCLJBuilder JDataStoreJBuilder JobsJBuilder LinuxJBuilder MacintoshJBuilder & MobileSetJBuilder MultiLingual AppsJBuilder Non-TechnicalJBuilder OpenToolsJBuilder Servlets (JSP)JBuilder StudentsJBuilder Team DevelopmentJBuilder Thirdparty ToolsJBuilder UpgradeJBuilder Installation InterBase Newsgroups----------------InterBaseInterBase Bug DiscussionInterBase GeneralInterBase IBConsoleInterBase OpenSourceInterBase ReplicationInterBase SQLInterBase ThirdpartyInterBase Installation Miscellaneous Borland Newsgroups----------------AppCenterAppServerEnteraVisiBroker  You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2006 phpBB Group SEO toolkit © 2004-2006 webmedic.