BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Delphi 8          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Upgrade View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Mike Williams (TeamB) Guest Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2004 4:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 8 On 30 Jan 2004, "Chris M" <chris (AT) eventsoft (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: Is Delphi 8 going the way of .net only or can you still do delphi only applications. If i don't plan on doing anything with .Net in any close timeframe is it worth anything for me to be on Delphi 8? It seems everything that I read about Delphi 8 also has to do with .net which I wont' be developing for. Yes, D8 is *only* .NET (unless you buy the version that comes with D7 on the CD). <g> -- -Mike (TeamB) Back to top Chris M Guest Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2004 5:31 pm    Post subject: Delphi 8 Is Delphi 8 going the way of .net only or can you still do delphi only applications. If i don't plan on doing anything with .Net in any close timeframe is it worth anything for me to be on Delphi 8? It seems everything that I read about Delphi 8 also has to do with .net which I wont' be developing for. thanks. Back to top Mike Williams (TeamB) Guest Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2004 6:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 8 On 30 Jan 2004, "Chris M" <chris (AT) eventsoft (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: Is a delphi that produces win32 exe's going the way of the dinosaur? If I, as of now, only produce win32 exe's for my client base will Delphi 7 be the last version of Delphi thats useful to me? Borland has publicly stated that Win32 Delphi is not dead. As always, they haven't announced when we might see another version. -- -Mike (TeamB) Back to top Chris M Guest Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2004 7:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 8 Is a delphi that produces win32 exe's going the way of the dinosaur? If I, as of now, only produce win32 exe's for my client base will Delphi 7 be the last version of Delphi thats useful to me? "Mike Williams (TeamB)" <mikew (AT) remove (DOT) aps-soft.com> wrote Quote: On 30 Jan 2004, "Chris M" <chris (AT) eventsoft (DOT) com> wrote: Is Delphi 8 going the way of .net only or can you still do delphi only applications. If i don't plan on doing anything with .Net in any close timeframe is it worth anything for me to be on Delphi 8? It seems everything that I read about Delphi 8 also has to do with .net which I wont' be developing for. Yes, D8 is *only* .NET (unless you buy the version that comes with D7 on the CD). -- -Mike (TeamB) Back to top Bill Guest Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2004 5:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 8 "Mike Williams (TeamB)" <mikew (AT) remove (DOT) aps-soft.com> wrote: Quote: On 30 Jan 2004, "Chris M" <chris (AT) eventsoft (DOT) com> wrote: Is a delphi that produces win32 exe's going the way of the dinosaur? If I, as of now, only produce win32 exe's for my client base will Delphi 7 be the last version of Delphi thats useful to me? Borland has publicly stated that Win32 Delphi is not dead. As always, they haven't announced when we might see another version. -- -Mike (TeamB) I got a shock and could not believe Delphi 8 COULD NOT compile for just Win32 WITHOUT the .Net dinosaur..... Plus, all my code is gone. I understand people at Borland have a lot of conversion to do and a lot to think. I guess they just could not fit a clear Win32 and .net vcl lib separation together because they maybe did not have time to think of how to maintain them both together in the same package. It's not that the Delphi compiler does not produce standard .exe files, it's just that the new object library is ONLY built around .Net. It could have been that Delphi 8, with the new compiler upgrades, shipped with the standard set of libs we all knew and produced clear Win32 STANDALONE apps (win95..WinXP). It could have been an option in the installation procedure. But anyway, let's say one deals with the new lib and grammar elements of D8; he/she upgrades all the pointers to the new way Delphi handles pointers and finds where all the functionality of the standard vcl has migrated to. Still, one will be forced to ship the app with the .net subset (+30Mb for a small app???). Anyway, the .net lib has an extensive set of a few nice components and at least they all (visual ones) support Anchors and Align (now Anchors and Dock). I just only hope that the .net framework will not have problems dealing with version inconsistencies. Regards to all developers, Bill P.S. Borland, keep your excellent engineering up P.S.2 I love the new IDE, I was bored with the old one. I've heard many people dislike it, but I guess they haven't still found the option (classic undocked) that makes it look like the older one. P.S.3 Borland rules... Back to top tiger Guest Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 7:09 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi 8 "Bill" <VasDemos (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk> дÈëÓʼþ news:40227c52$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: "Mike Williams (TeamB)" <mikew (AT) remove (DOT) aps-soft.com> wrote: On 30 Jan 2004, "Chris M" <chris (AT) eventsoft (DOT) com> wrote: Is a delphi that produces win32 exe's going the way of the dinosaur? If I, as of now, only produce win32 exe's for my client base will Delphi 7 be the last version of Delphi thats useful to me? Borland has publicly stated that Win32 Delphi is not dead. As always, they haven't announced when we might see another version. -- -Mike (TeamB) I got a shock and could not believe Delphi 8 COULD NOT compile for just Win32 WITHOUT the .Net dinosaur..... Plus, all my code is gone. I understand people at Borland have a lot of conversion to do and a lot to think. I guess they just could not fit a clear Win32 and .net vcl lib separation together because they maybe did not have time to think of how to maintain them both together in the same package. It's not that the Delphi compiler does not produce standard .exe files, it's just that the new object library is ONLY built around .Net. It could have been that Delphi 8, with the new compiler upgrades, shipped with the standard set of libs we all knew and produced clear Win32 STANDALONE apps (win95..WinXP). It could have been an option in the installation procedure. Quote: But anyway, let's say one deals with the new lib and grammar elements of D8; he/she upgrades all the pointers to the new way Delphi handles pointers and finds where all the functionality of the standard vcl has migrated to. Still, one will be forced to ship the app with the .net subset (+30Mb for a small app???). Anyway, the .net lib has an extensive set of a few nice components and at least they all (visual ones) support Anchors and Align (now Anchors and Dock). I just only hope that the .net framework will not have problems dealing with version inconsistencies. Quote: Regards to all developers, Bill P.S. Borland, keep your excellent engineering up P.S.2 I love the new IDE, I was bored with the old one. I've heard many people dislike it, but I guess they haven't still found the option (classic undocked) that makes it look like the older one. Quote: P.S.3 Borland rules... I support Bill's view. Might is it just a result by negotiation? Might Delphi be end of life? Might somtimes commercial be more important than technology and sometimes it will be reversed? Money is Not All, but No Money is None. 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