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Stark
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 Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2004 9:28 pm Post subject: Delphi educational version |
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My nephiew wants to start programming with Delphi, and I want him to buy his
own pack. He is a student and he could buy a version of Delphi at a much
cheaper price. What are the problems of using such a Delphi version ? He
would buy the only version now available, which is Delphi 8; this package
(Delphi 8 Professional ecational) also includes Delphi 7, and this is the
Delphi he would use.
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Bruce Roberts
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| Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2004 9:45 pm Post subject: Re: Delphi educational version |
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"Stark" <starkwedder (AT) virgilio (DOT) it> wrote
| Quote: | My nephiew wants to start programming with Delphi, and I want him to buy
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own pack. He is a student and he could buy a version of Delphi at a much
cheaper price. What are the problems of using such a Delphi version ? He
would buy the only version now available, which is Delphi 8; this package
(Delphi 8 Professional ecational) also includes Delphi 7, and this is the
Delphi he would use.
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AFAIK the only difference between the educational and non-educational
versions is the licensing. I would suggest that you check with Borland
though.
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Rob Kennedy
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| Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2004 10:08 pm Post subject: Re: Delphi educational version |
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Stark wrote:
| Quote: | My nephiew wants to start programming with Delphi, and I want him to
buy his own pack. He is a student and he could buy a version of
Delphi at a much cheaper price. What are the problems of using such a
Delphi version ? He would buy the only version now available, which
is Delphi 8; this package (Delphi 8 Professional ecational) also
includes Delphi 7, and this is the Delphi he would use.
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The license for the educational version restricts what your nephew can
use the software for. Nothing he writes with it may be distributed to
anyone who does not also have a copy of Delphi. No commercial software,
no shareware, no freeware. He uses it to learn, and that's all. It
sounds a little harsh, but I don't think it's unreasonable.
Draconian restrictions notwithstanding, it's a great learning tool. It's
not crippled in any way. In college, I got the professional edition of
D4 for $100 at the campus bookstore -- a much better price than if I'd
good to a regular software store. Full VCL source code and the database
components were included. (Back then, the contents of the box were
identical to the commercial version. The *only* difference between them
was the sticker on the educational box saying "Educational version;
Non-commercial use only." The license inside made no such restrictions,
and stickers aren't legally binding <g>.)
Educational licenses for some other software products are written so
they expire when the student would no longer qualify for the educational
version -- when he graduates or drops out, for instance. Borland's
license doesn't expire that.
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Rob
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Rick Carter
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| Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 3:10 am Post subject: Re: Delphi educational version |
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Rob Kennedy <me (AT) privacy (DOT) net> wrote
| Quote: | (Back then, the contents of the box were
identical to the commercial version. The *only* difference between them
was the sticker on the educational box saying "Educational version;
Non-commercial use only." The license inside made no such restrictions,
and stickers aren't legally binding <g>.)
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Yes, but that was back then. Starting with Delphi 6, Borland started using
restrictive language in the license for the Academic versions. Still, like
you say, it's great for learning, and, other than not having a commercial
deployment license, it's not crippled in any way.
Rick Carter
Chair, Paradox/Delphi SIG, Cincinnati PC Users Group
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Rick Carter
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| Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 3:22 am Post subject: Re: Delphi educational version |
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Jeremy Collins <jd.collins (AT) ntlworld-not (DOT) com> wrote
| Quote: | Before you spend any money, peruse the PC magazines. I remember Delphi
4 Standard edition being given away a few years ago - someone else here
may be able to confirm if Borland have done any similar offers recently.
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PC Plus magazine -- www.pcplus.co.uk -- generally bundles a free version of
Delphi every year or two, though in recent years it's been the Personal
versions -- no database components, and a much more limited component
palette than Pro. The original poster didn't think the price for D7/8 Academic
Pro (about $100 US) was too prohibitive, and it does give him a lot more to
work with. Plus, it might be a bit of a wait to see it on a magazine cover
again -- Delphi 7 Personal was included about a year ago (and the magazine sold
out rather promptly), and Delphi 8 hasn't even been released in a Personal
version yet.
| Quote: | And of course there's always eBay; here in the UK there's a Delphi 4
Professional going for fifteen quid:
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Again with the Delphi 4! Maybe your personal experience was better, but
most people regard D4 as the worst version ever released, and not all that
stable even after all the patches.
Then again, like Jeremy says, you can start with any version and learn with
any version. But I'd say D7/8 Pro is one he would be satisfied with for a
good long time -- you can do a lot with it.
Rick Carter
Chair, Paradox/Delphi SIG, Cincinnati PC Users Group
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Jeremy Collins
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| Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 10:58 am Post subject: Re: Delphi educational version |
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Rick Carter wrote:
| Quote: | Again with the Delphi 4! Maybe your personal experience was better, but
most people regard D4 as the worst version ever released, and not all that
stable even after all the patches.
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 I'm still maintaining one project in D4 Std, and don't find it that
bad. It does have the occassional stability problem[1], and lacks some
of the nice interface featues I'm used to in D6. OTOH it's hard to think
of an application that *couldn't* be created with D4 (aside from .Net);
the application I maintain *is* a database application - I imported the
ADO type libraries and created my own wrapper classes.
[1] I can't be the only person with the ingrained habit of hitting
Ctrl+S, F9 to run a program ;-)
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jc
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VBDis
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| Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 8:31 am Post subject: Re: Delphi educational version |
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Im Artikel <buphk2$kll9v$1 (AT) ID-220940 (DOT) news.uni-berlin.de>, Rob Kennedy
<me (AT) privacy (DOT) net> schreibt:
| Quote: | (Back then, the contents of the box were
identical to the commercial version. The *only* difference between them
was the sticker on the educational box saying "Educational version;
Non-commercial use only." The license inside made no such restrictions,
and stickers aren't legally binding <g>.)
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This depends on local law. In Germany the stickers are the important thing, the
license inside the box is less important, if ever.
DoDi
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