BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Delphi everywhere Goto page 1, 2, 3  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Fritz Huber Guest Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 11:03 am    Post subject: Delphi everywhere Is it true? Are there any plans for Delphi on alternative platforms like MacOSX and/or Linux? Or are those just rumours? For me this would be quite a reason to get excited about Delphi again... (still on Delphi 6 here) - since the alternatives to Vista are becoming more and more attractive, especially after reading those MiniMSFT-blogs.... and playing around with an IMac at the local retailer Back to top Oliver Townshend Guest Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 11:03 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi everywhere Quote: Is it true? Are there any plans for Delphi on alternative platforms like MacOSX and/or Linux? They're long term goals I think. Ambitions maybe. There's no product in the next year. Quote: Or are those just rumours? I think it was mentioned in passing by JK whilst in Tokyo. Quote: For me this would be quite a reason to get excited about Delphi again... (still on Delphi 6 here) - since the alternatives to Vista are becoming more and more attractive, especially after reading those MiniMSFT-blogs.... and playing around with an IMac at the local retailer Somehow I think Vista SP2 will be out first :) Oliver Townshend Back to top Uffe Kousgaard Guest Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 12:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi everywhere "Fritz Huber" <fh (AT) soginet (DOT) at> wrote in message news:44266baf (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: Is it true? Are there any plans for Delphi on alternative platforms like MacOSX and/or Linux? Kylix (= Delphi for Linux) has been around for quite some time and I think you can still buy it. But at the moment Borland is not planning any new releases. Perhaps DevCo will consider that again. Regards Uffe Back to top Felipe Monteiro de Carval Guest Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 1:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi everywhere Fritz Huber wrote: Quote: Is it true? Are there any plans for Delphi on alternative platforms like MacOSX and/or Linux? Or are those just rumours? For me this would be quite a reason to get excited about Delphi again... (still on Delphi 6 here) - since the alternatives to Vista are becoming more and more attractive, especially after reading those MiniMSFT-blogs.... and playing around with an IMac at the local retailer If you are not, you probably should be aware of this: http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=Screenshots&file=index&req=showsc&id=32 And you can compile the same source with both (if well prepared). Felipe Back to top Thomas Mueller Guest Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 1:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi everywhere Hi, Fritz Huber wrote: Quote: Is it true? Are there any plans for Delphi on alternative platforms like MacOSX and/or Linux? I asked this David I. and Michael S. at the online interview we had at the Delphitage in Germany. Their answer was this: There are currently no plans for Delphi on Mac OS X. Others asked about Kylix (if you don't know yet: That's Delphi / C++ builder for Linux/intel which was developed up to version 3 but then dropped, I bought two licences) and their answer was equally disappointing: No plans there either but at least they said Kylix is not dead yet. Quote: Or are those just rumours? So probably just rumours. I promise this: As soon as there is Delphi for Mac OS X I will drop Linux in favour of Mac OS (and of course buy that version of Delphi). This promise is good for the next two years, after that, who knows what's going to happen? twm Back to top Fritz Huber Guest Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 1:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi everywhere Quote: If you are not, you probably should be aware of this: http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=Screenshots&file=index&req=showsc&id=32 Lazarus seems to be a great opensource-product. I'm looking for something a little more polished though, and perhaps commercially supported. I'm always willing to spend money on a great product, if the product does what I need. Kylix was not polished and cost a lot of money. No wonder it wasn't successfull. Back to top Thomas Mueller Guest Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 2:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi everywhere Hi, Fritz Huber wrote: Quote: I'm always willing to spend money on a great product, if the product does what I need. Kylix was not polished and cost a lot of money. No wonder it wasn't successfull. Kylix 3 pro was sold for 20 Euros at the SuSE webshop. I don't call that a "lot of money". And I liked it quite a lot until it stopped working on my Linux box after an update some time ago. twm Back to top Felipe Monteiro de Carval Guest Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 2:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi everywhere Fritz Huber wrote: Quote: Lazarus seems to be a great opensource-product. I'm looking for something a little more polished though, and perhaps commercially supported. I'm always willing to spend money on a great product, if the product does what I need. Lazarus can be commercially supported if you wish so. Please take a look at: http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/index.php/Bounties Just tell us what you need, set a price and (if all goes well) consider it done ;) Instead of a buying a product, you buy features. Felipe Back to top zeljko Guest Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 2:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi everywhere Thomas Mueller wrote: Quote: Others asked about Kylix (if you don't know yet: That's Delphi / C++ builder for Linux/intel which was developed up to version 3 but then dropped, I bought two licences) and their answer was equally disappointing: No plans there either but at least they said Kylix is not dead yet. it's not dead since there's still a lot of developers using kylix, but kylix future is unknown (probably dead product). Till now we can run it on recent distros (look at last ptrace_interposer.so, debugger is useable with kernels > 2.6.10), but now , new distros comes out with glibc-2.4, kylix cannot start (no linuxthreads), so it becomes dead at developers site too. Still wondering why they didn't included andreas hausladen patches , recompile ide against newer winelibs and sell it like K3.1 or similar. Is it so hard ? cost too much ? I don't think so, give me ide sources and I'll fix it for free. Seem that they didn't care about money in kylix case, but about relationship with M$. Back to top David Dean Guest Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 3:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi everywhere In article <44268b0a (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com>, Thomas Mueller <spam (AT) dummzeuch (DOT) de> wrote: Quote: I promise this: As soon as there is Delphi for Mac OS X I will drop Linux in favour of Mac OS (and of course buy that version of Delphi). This promise is good for the next two years, after that, who knows what's going to happen? I'll join you in that pledge. A similar show of support by the C++ Builder community appears to have worked to get the C++ personality added into BDS 2006. I wonder if there is enough support for OS X to motivate DevCo? -- -David Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione. Back to top Bruce McGee Guest Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 4:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi everywhere Thomas Mueller wrote: [...] Quote: I promise this: As soon as there is Delphi for Mac OS X I will drop Linux in favour of Mac OS (and of course buy that version of Delphi). This promise is good for the next two years, after that, who knows what's going to happen? Ideally, DevCo will target different platforms using different personalities in the same IDE. So, if Delphi supports Mac OS, I will be buying a Mac. And if they offer a reasonable Linux solution, there's my excuse to set up a dedicated Linux box, or at least a VM. These markets aren't big enough (to me) to justify separate development to support them, but if I have an easy path to port some of my apps to other platforms (especially servers on Linux), then that's another story. -- Regards, Bruce McGee Glooscap Software Back to top somebody Guest Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 4:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi everywhere "Fritz Huber" <fh (AT) soginet (DOT) at> wrote Quote: Is it true? Are there any plans for Delphi on alternative platforms like MacOSX and/or Linux? Well, there's Kylix <g> Quote: Or are those just rumours? Rumours. Some people are dreaming about Jobs buying Borland's IDE division. The good news is, so far, at least, I haven't heard anything about Amiga buying Delphi Back to top Thomas Mueller Guest Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 7:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi everywhere Hi, zeljko wrote: Quote: Still wondering why they didn't included andreas hausladen patches , recompile ide against newer winelibs and sell it like K3.1 or similar. Is it so hard ? cost too much ? Yes, it cost too much: 1. somebody from the development team must take the time from other work to do it. 2. somebody from QA must do testing which again will keep him from doing other work 3. it must be distributed (I guess a downloadable version would have been fine with most of us), I don't really have any idea what is involved with that twm Back to top Fritz Huber Guest Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 7:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi everywhere Quote: Kylix 3 pro was sold for 20 Euros at the SuSE webshop. I don't call that a "lot of money". And I liked it quite a lot until it stopped working on my Linux box after an update some time ago. And what did you do with those programs you wrote with it ? I sure feel lucky that I didn't persuade my boss of investing in Kylix and wrote those shared objects (only small stuff that gets called from Oracle stored procedures) in C++ instead... at least that stuff can still be maintained (although I'm pretty sure they could have been converted to Freepascal with not too much effort). Back to top Fritz Huber Guest Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 7:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi everywhere Quote: I asked this David I. and Michael S. at the online interview we had at the Delphitage in Germany. Their answer was this: There are currently no plans for Delphi on Mac OS X. Others asked about Kylix (if you don't know yet: That's Delphi / C++ builder for Linux/intel which was developed up to version 3 but then dropped, I bought two licences) and their answer was equally disappointing: No plans there either but at least they said Kylix is not dead yet. So what does "Delphi everywhere" mean? Delphi on Win32/Win64, .NET and CF ? 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