BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Delphi Gamer article on Devco moving forward          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Richard Foersom Guest Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 10:14 pm    Post subject: Delphi Gamer article on Devco moving forward At Pascal Game Development (Delphi Gamer) there is an interesting news article with summary of statements made by Borland employees at the European developer tour presentation in London GB. "NewDevCo are not looking to be bought, but are looking for venture capitalists to invest in the new company. So it is essentially a spinoff from Borland not a selloff and they don't want to be bought by another company. They want to become their own company that is developer focused." 2006-05-09 BDS London conference... <http://www.delphigamer.com/> Back to top Craig Guest Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 11:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi Gamer article on Devco moving forward Quote: "NewDevCo are not looking to be bought, but are looking for venture capitalists to invest in the new company. So it is essentially a spinoff from Borland not a selloff and they don't want to be bought by another company. They want to become their own company that is developer focused." This has been said from day 1. I don't think it is anything new. Craig. Back to top TObject Guest Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 12:14 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi Gamer article on Devco moving forward "Craig" <craigvn (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:44611ab1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: "NewDevCo are not looking to be bought, but are looking for venture capitalists to invest in the new company. So it is essentially a spinoff from Borland not a selloff and they don't want to be bought by another company. They want to become their own company that is developer focused." This has been said from day 1. I don't think it is anything new. That was my understanding as well. I have wondered where all the news about "buyer companies" comes from. Back to top Chris Burrows Guest Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 1:14 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi Gamer article on Devco moving forward "TObject" <newsgroupreader (AT) pronografics (DOT) spamwon.com> wrote in message news:4461297e$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: "Craig" <craigvn (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:44611ab1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... "NewDevCo are not looking to be bought, but are looking for venture capitalists to invest in the new company. So it is essentially a spinoff from Borland not a selloff and they don't want to be bought by another company. They want to become their own company that is developer focused." This has been said from day 1. I don't think it is anything new. That was my understanding as well. I have wondered where all the news about "buyer companies" comes from. Borland's press release on the subject could easily be interpreted that way, whether intentional or not: "...Announces Plan to Divest IDE Product Lines" "...Borland announced plans to seek a buyer..." "...Borland has retained Bear, Stearns & Co. Inc. to manage the process of seeking a buyer for Borland's IDE assets." -- Chris Burrows CFB Software http://www.cfbsoftware.com Back to top Dave Jewell Guest Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 11:14 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi Gamer article on Devco moving forward "Richard Foersom" <r.nojunk.foersom (AT) pt (DOT) nowhere.lu> wrote in message news:446105ef (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: "NewDevCo are not looking to be bought, but are looking for venture capitalists to invest in the new company. So it is essentially a spinoff from Borland not a selloff and they don't want to be bought by another company. They want to become their own company that is developer focused." Now there's a surprise. ;-) Dave Back to top Dave Jewell Guest Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 11:14 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi Gamer article on Devco moving forward "TObject" <newsgroupreader (AT) pronografics (DOT) spamwon.com> wrote in message news:4461297e$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: That was my understanding as well. I have wondered where all the news about "buyer companies" comes from. From Borland. Intersimone's original blog is still there if you care to read it: http://blogs.borland.com/davidi/archive/2006/02/08/23013.aspx. He mentions finding a buyer for the company at least three times. He mentions looking for venture capital precisely zero times. Nevertheless, I *would* agree that all the clues are there in the original announcement that they were seeking either (a) a management buy-out or (b) hoping for venture capital or maybe a little of both. ;-) Dave Back to top Eric Grange Guest Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 11:14 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi Gamer article on Devco moving forward Quote: Now there's a surprise. This isn't a surprise only for those who come to these newsgroups or visit Allen's blog. For the world at large, the only perception that got through so far is that it's a selloff, a perception encouraged by the wording of the official press releases, where it's all about "seeking a buyer"... Eric Back to top Eric Grange Guest Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 12:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi Gamer article on Devco moving forward Quote: Me thinks that most likely his is a faux susprise... To *you*, because you're regularly visiting this forum and the borlander blogs like Allen's. To people that don't pass by the rumourmill everyday (ie. the vast majority), there has been a distinct lack of such information before, and one such lack of information is clearly what the David I tour is trying to solve. Note that the particular piece of news appeared after a stop on said tour. Quote: From the very first day he has always refered to the "divesiture" as a "spin-out/off". Yes, he did, but on a blog page, public information-wise, I'm sorry to pop the bubble, but the effect is about nil. Quote: Such as this latest one dated May 3, 2006. [...] Sounds just like the previous ones: you read about divesting, bidders and buyers. Eric Back to top I.P. Nichols Guest Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 12:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi Gamer article on Devco moving forward "Eric Grange" wrote: Quote: Now there's a surprise. Me thinks that most likely his is a faux susprise... Quote: This isn't a surprise only for those who come to these newsgroups or visit Allen's blog. From the very first day he has always refered to the "divesiture" as a "spin-out/off". Feb 7: "Just to clarify, the spin-off of the IDE/Tools business is *not* being driven by Mr. Coates". Feb 8: " BTW, you'll notice that I'll never use the term "divestiture" or "divest." Those are ugly and cold. I prefer "spin-out" or "spin-off." They sound, at least to me, to be much more positive." At this point I'm beginning to wonder just who is the spiner and who is the spinee. OMG did I just invent a new word? Naw - a quick Google finds 594 hits for "spinee", the first was "Laboratoires Spinée SA " and the third was "From spinee to spiner..." Oh well... My point being that in the financial and legal world the terms "divestiure", "spin-out" and "spin-off" don't necessarly mean the same thing. Quote: For the world at large, the only perception that got through so far is that it's a selloff, a perception encouraged by the wording of the official press releases, where it's all about "seeking a buyer"... Such as this latest one dated May 3, 2006. "Update on the Developer Tools Group Divestiture: Borland announced on February 8, 2006 the intention to divest its Integrated Developer Environment (IDE) product lines. Nigel Brown, previously vice president of Borland EMEA, has been appointed general manager of Borland's internally formed Developer Tools Group. This group now consists of approximately 180 Borland employees, with sales, marketing and product teams working independently within the Company. The divesture process is proceeding according to schedule and attracting a strong number of qualified bidders. Borland is working to have a buyer identified within the next several months." Back to top I.P. Nichols Guest Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 12:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi Gamer article on Devco moving forward "Eric Grange" wrote: Quote: Now there's a surprise. Me thinks that most likely his is a faux susprise... Quote: This isn't a surprise only for those who come to these newsgroups or visit Allen's blog. From the very first day he has always refered to the "divesiture" as a "spin-out/off". Feb 7: "Just to clarify, the spin-off of the IDE/Tools business is *not* being driven by Mr. Coates". Feb 8: " BTW, you'll notice that I'll never use the term "divestiture" or "divest." Those are ugly and cold. I prefer "spin-out" or "spin-off." They sound, at least to me, to be much more positive." At this point I'm beginning to wonder just who is the spiner and who is the spinee. OMG did I just invent a new word? Naw - a quick Google finds 594 hits for "spinee", the first was "Laboratoires Spinée SA " and the third was "From spinee to spiner..." Oh well... My point being that in the financial and legal world the terms "divestiure", "spin-out" and "spin-off" don't necessarly mean the same thing. Quote: For the world at large, the only perception that got through so far is that it's a selloff, a perception encouraged by the wording of the official press releases, where it's all about "seeking a buyer"... Such as this latest one dated May 3, 2006. "Update on the Developer Tools Group Divestiture: Borland announced on February 8, 2006 the intention to divest its Integrated Developer Environment (IDE) product lines. Nigel Brown, previously vice president of Borland EMEA, has been appointed general manager of Borland's internally formed Developer Tools Group. This group now consists of approximately 180 Borland employees, with sales, marketing and product teams working independently within the Company. The divesture process is proceeding according to schedule and attracting a strong number of qualified bidders. Borland is working to have a buyer identified within the next several months." begin 666 23062.aspx K1TE&.#EA`0`!`( ``-O?[P```"'Y! $`````+ `````!``$```("1 $`.P`` ` end Back to top Guest Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 1:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi Gamer article on Devco moving forward Dave Jewell wrote: Quote: That was my understanding as well. I have wondered where all the news about "buyer companies" comes from. From Borland. Intersimone's original blog is still there if you care to read it: He mentions finding a buyer for the company at least three times. He mentions looking for venture capital precisely zero times. There you go, quoting facts again :-) Breaking out Delphi as a separate product is a good thing. I've looked forward to a divorce between Borland and Delphi for some time. It could be an excellent thing based on who acquires it. I can't say I'm enamoured of a management buy-out though especially if the hairy corn flake (UK readers will understand the reference) has an executive role. I await developments with interest! -- Derek Davidson Back to top Tim Anderson Guest Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 8:15 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi Gamer article on Devco moving forward "Craig" <craigvn (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:44611ab1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: "NewDevCo are not looking to be bought, but are looking for venture capitalists to invest in the new company. So it is essentially a spinoff from Borland not a selloff and they don't want to be bought by another company. They want to become their own company that is developer focused." This has been said from day 1. I don't think it is anything new. Not exactly. When I was briefed early on (after the announcement) it was made clear to me that all scenarios were possible - say, for an existing software vendor to acquire the business, or for a split with Java tools going one way and Windows another. Having said that, it's been clear for a long time that a new company with investment backing is Borland's preference; and it appears that this is now the only active option. I guess it is hard for Borland to make definitive statements because of legal obligations. Tim Back to top John Kaster (Borland) Guest Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 11:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi Gamer article on Devco moving forward Dave Jewell wrote: Quote: He mentions finding a buyer for the company at least three times. Thanks for poring over his blog post in such detail. Quote: He mentions looking for venture capital precisely zero times. Nor does he mention lots of other ways to purchase something. He does talk about it being a separate company. Sorry, but I'm really not sure what you're trying to say. Could you be more explicit? -- John Kaster http://blogs.borland.com/johnk Features and bugs: http://qc.borland.com Get source: http://cc.borland.com If it's not here, it's not happening: http://ec.borland.com Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical All times are GMT Page 1 of 1   Jump to: Select a forum C++ Builder Newsgroups----------------C++ BuilderC++ Builder (ActiveX)C++ Builder (Announcements)C++ Builder (Command Line Tools)C++ Builder DatabasesC++ Builder Databases (ADO)C++ Builder Databases (Desktop)C++ Builder Databases (InterBase Express)C++ Builder Databases (Multi-Tier)C++ Builder Databases (SQL Servers)C++ Builder (Graphics)C++ Builder (IDE)C++ Builder (Internet)C++ Builder (Internet Socket)C++ Builder (Internet Web)C++ Builder (Jobs)C++ Builder (Language)C++ Builder (Language C++)C++ Builder (Compatibility with MFC)C++ Builder (Native API)C++ Builder (Non-Technical)C++ Builder (Students)C++ Builder (Third Party Tools)C++ Builder (Upgrade)C++ Builder (VCL)C++ Builder (VCL Components Usage)C++ Builder (VCL Components Development)C++ Builder (VCL Usage)C++ Builder (WinAPI)C++ Builder Installation Delphi Newsgroups----------------Delphi (General)Delphi ActiveX Controls UsageDelphi ActiveX Controls DevelopmentDelphi As400Delphi DatabasesDelphi Databases (ADO)Delphi Databases (dbExpress)Delphi Databases (Desktop)Delphi Databases (InterBase Express)Delphi Databases (Multi-Tier)Delphi Databases (SQL Servers)Delphi DeploymentDelphi GraphicsDelphi IDEDelphi InternationalizationDelphi InternetDelphi Internet Isapi-WebBrokerDelphi Internet WebSnapDelphi Internet WinsockDelphi JobsDelphi Language BASMDelphi Language ObjectPascalDelphi Model Driven Architecture (General)Delphi Model Driven Architecture (Third Party)Delphi MultimediaDelphi Native APIDelphi Non-TechnicalDelphi ObjectPascalDelphi OLE AutomationDelphi OO designDelphi OpenToolsAPIDelphi Reporting-ChartingDelphi RTLDelphi StudentsDelphi TeamSourceDelphi Thirdparty ToolsDelphi Thirdparty Tools (General)Delphi Thirdparty Tools (IntraWeb)Delphi Thirdparty Tools (RaveReports)Delphi UpgradeDelphi VCLDelphi VCL ComponentsDelphi VCL Components UsingDelphi VCL Components WritingDelphi WebServices SOAPDelphi WinAPIDelphi XMLDelphi Installationcomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.misccomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.usagecomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.writingcomp.lang.pascal.delphi.databasescomp.lang.pascal.delphi.misccomp.sources.delphi JBuilder Newsgroups----------------JBuilderJBuilder AnnouncementsJBuilder Applet IssuesJBuilder As400JBuilder CompilerJBuilder CORBA/RMIJBuilder DatabasesJBuilder DB SwingJBuilder DebuggerJBuilder DeploymentJBuilder DocumentationJBuilder EnterpriseJBuilder HandheldJBuilder IDEJBuilder JavaJBuilder JavaAPIJBuilder Java LanguageJBuilder Java SwingJBuilder Java BeansJBuilder Java Beans UsageJBuilder Java Beans DevelopmentJBuilder JBCLJBuilder JDataStoreJBuilder JobsJBuilder LinuxJBuilder MacintoshJBuilder & MobileSetJBuilder MultiLingual AppsJBuilder Non-TechnicalJBuilder OpenToolsJBuilder Servlets (JSP)JBuilder StudentsJBuilder Team DevelopmentJBuilder Thirdparty ToolsJBuilder UpgradeJBuilder Installation InterBase Newsgroups----------------InterBaseInterBase Bug DiscussionInterBase GeneralInterBase IBConsoleInterBase OpenSourceInterBase ReplicationInterBase SQLInterBase ThirdpartyInterBase Installation Miscellaneous Borland Newsgroups----------------AppCenterAppServerEnteraVisiBroker  You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2006 phpBB Group SEO toolkit © 2004-2006 webmedic.