BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Delphi - Java : One from left field Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Mike Mormando Guest Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 7:06 pm    Post subject: Delphi - Java : One from left field Hey Borlanders! An image just leaped from the fevered brain of mine, of the long ago, abandoned Delphi/Java byte code compiler you guys started. Any chances of releasing it open source? Mike (images of VCL/SWT dancing in my head ;) Back to top John Kaster (Borland) Guest Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 11:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi - Java : One from left field Mike Mormando in <410a9c4d$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com> wrote: Quote: Any chances of releasing it open source? Convince me that doing this will make Borland at least 5x the money it will cost to do this, and I'll be happy to champion it internally. -- John Kaster, Borland Developer Relations, http://bdn.borland.com BorCon2004, all info in one place! http://info.borland.com/conf2004 Features and bugs: http://qc.borland.com Get source: http://cc.borland.com Unofficial information overload: http://blogs.borland.com Back to top Oliver Townshend Guest Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 11:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi - Java : One from left field Quote: Convince me that doing this will make Borland at least 5x the money it will cost to do this, and I'll be happy to champion it internally. Everyone who buys it would probably have to buy JBuilder? Oliver Townshend Back to top Johannes Bjerregaard Guest Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 11:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi - Java : One from left field Quote: Convince me that doing this will make Borland at least 5x the money it will cost to do this, and I'll be happy to champion it internally. I think releasing a Delphi java bytecode compiler as open source would generate a lot of buzz in the industry. Here's a business case: Because it becomes a "run everywhere" language, more people will volunteer to expose themselves to the Delphi language and inevitably realize how awesome it is => Open source add-ins to the Delphi IDE to integrate the java bytecode compiler will follow (like the dotnet preview one in D7) => More people will become familiar with Delphi IDE (especially if a free version - Personal Edition? - is available), and will want to use Delphi for professional projects too => Borland sells more copies of Delphi Pro and Enterprise. Did I miss something? :) Back to top John Kaster (Borland) Guest Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2004 12:00 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi - Java : One from left field Johannes Bjerregaard in <410adeb1$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com> wrote: Quote: I think releasing a Delphi java bytecode compiler as open source would generate a lot of buzz in the industry. Sounds great! Now, tell me how that buzz = more $ for Borland. Quote: realize how awesome it is => Open source add-ins to the Delphi IDE to integrate the java bytecode compiler will follow (like the dotnet preview one in D7) I don't recall an open source add-in for the preview compiler. Quote: Borland sells more copies of Delphi Pro and Enterprise. Did I miss something? yes. The part where sales of more copies of Delphi Pro and Enterprise are a foregone conclusion. -- John Kaster, Borland Developer Relations, http://bdn.borland.com BorCon2004, all info in one place! http://info.borland.com/conf2004 Features and bugs: http://qc.borland.com Get source: http://cc.borland.com Unofficial information overload: http://blogs.borland.com Back to top Johannes Bjerregaard Guest Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2004 12:51 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi - Java : One from left field "John Kaster (Borland)" <johnk (AT) borland (DOT) com> wrote Quote: Sounds great! Now, tell me how that buzz = more $ for Borland. It isn't. It just generates awareness at no extra cost to Borland, so that you won't have to spend money on it. Quote: realize how awesome it is => Open source add-ins to the Delphi IDE to integrate the java bytecode compiler will follow (like the dotnet preview one in D7) I don't recall an open source add-in for the preview compiler. Neither do I, John. Did I really claim that it was open source, technically speaking? I thought that statement was open to some degree of interpretation, and that you would have noticed that and interpreted it in favor of the facts. The point I was trying to get across was this: The Delphi 7 add-in for the preview compiler demonstrates that it is possible for third parties to integrate an external compiler into the IDE. Quote: Did I miss something? :) yes. The part where sales of more copies of Delphi Pro and Enterprise are a foregone conclusion. It isn't. It's a scenario that, from my limited perspective, seems plausible. No guarantees. You can invest a few dollars in a risky idea that you think just might work and see what happens, or you can put your bytecode compiler under the pillow and see how much money that'll make you. Back to top John Kaster (Borland) Guest Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2004 3:19 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi - Java : One from left field Johannes Bjerregaard in <410aecb3$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com> wrote: Quote: It isn't. It's a scenario that, from my limited perspective, seems plausible. No guarantees. It is too tenuous. It will never get approval for "seems plausible." Quote: You can invest a few dollars in a risky idea that you think just might work and see what happens, We've got MANY more obvious ideas that are FAR more likely to earn Borland money than the high opportunity cost of open sourcing something that contains IP on the promise of "maybe." Quote: or you can put your bytecode compiler under the pillow and see how much money that'll make you. Nothing is that simplistic, particularly when IP is involved. -- John Kaster, Borland Developer Relations, http://bdn.borland.com BorCon2004, all info in one place! http://info.borland.com/conf2004 Features and bugs: http://qc.borland.com Get source: http://cc.borland.com Unofficial information overload: http://blogs.borland.com Back to top Michael Bennett Guest Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2004 4:20 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi - Java : One from left field John Kaster (Borland) wrote: Quote: Mike Mormando in <410a9c4d$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com> wrote: Any chances of releasing it open source? Convince me that doing this will make Borland at least 5x the money it will cost to do this, and I'll be happy to champion it internally. Ok. <jediMindTrick>This will make Borland rich.</jediMindTrick> <jediMindTrick>This will make you rich.<.jediMindTrick> <jediMindTrick>Mikey B. needs a free copy of Delphi 9</jediMindTrick> -Michael Bennett Back to top John Kaster (Borland) Guest Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2004 7:17 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi - Java : One from left field Michael Bennett in <410b1e0f (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com> wrote: Quote: jediMindTrick LOL -- John Kaster, Borland Developer Relations, http://bdn.borland.com BorCon2004, all info in one place! http://info.borland.com/conf2004 Features and bugs: http://qc.borland.com Get source: http://cc.borland.com Unofficial information overload: http://blogs.borland.com Back to top Abdullah Kauchali Guest Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2004 10:08 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi - Java : One from left field "John Kaster (Borland)" wrote in message: Quote: Convince me that doing this will make Borland at least 5x the money it will cost to do this, and I'll be happy to champion it internally. Correct me if I misunderstood the original suggestion: Borland would have to do nothing but donate source code of that dead project. You've nothing to lose. Back to top Martijn Tonies Guest Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2004 10:37 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi - Java : One from left field Quote: I think releasing a Delphi java bytecode compiler as open source would generate a lot of buzz in the industry. Sounds great! Now, tell me how that buzz = more $ for Borland. Pretty much the same way everyone uses MS products ... Because MS made it. Buzz = always more $$ in the long run. -- With regards, Martijn Tonies Database Workbench - developer tool for InterBase, Firebird, MySQL & MS SQL Server. Upscene Productions http://www.upscene.com Back to top Derek Davidson Guest Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2004 11:36 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi - Java : One from left field John Kaster (Borland) wrote: Quote: Sounds great! Now, tell me how that buzz = more $ for Borland. Take a walk down the corridor to the marketing department, John. Ask them to show you how *each* ad they have run has generated revenue for Borland. Hint: They won't be able to. As the old saw goes "50% of advertising revenue is wasted. Now, if we knew WHICH 50% ...." The thing is that even without that information - you keep advertising. Why? -- Derek Davidson http://www.enterpriseblue.com For the world's EASIEST Help Desk software Now Verified for Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Back to top Derek Davidson Guest Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2004 11:39 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi - Java : One from left field Abdullah Kauchali wrote: Quote: Correct me if I misunderstood the original suggestion: Borland would have to do nothing but donate source code of that dead project. You've nothing to lose. <SARCASM> But you forget that this is the same Borland that didn't have enough resources to have someone keep the Delphi Direct feed up to date. They *certainly* won't have resources available to manage the open sourcing of a dead product. </SARCASM> -- Derek Davidson http://www.enterpriseblue.com For the world's EASIEST Help Desk software Now Verified for Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Back to top Stefan Guest Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2004 12:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi - Java : One from left field Great idea! Where is the path to sourceforge? One big advantage is that I as a delphi developer - could get in touch with java in smooth way Really cool. John, shell I perhaps talk Dale? thanks Stefan Mike Mormando wrote: Quote: Hey Borlanders! An image just leaped from the fevered brain of mine, of the long ago, abandoned Delphi/Java byte code compiler you guys started. Any chances of releasing it open source? Mike (images of VCL/SWT dancing in my head Back to top I R T Guest Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2004 12:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi - Java : One from left field "Derek Davidson" <derek.davidson (AT) REMOVEenterpriseblue (DOT) co.uk> writes: Quote: SARCASM But you forget that this is the same Borland that didn't have enough resources to have someone keep the Delphi Direct feed up to date. They *certainly* won't have resources available to manage the open sourcing of a dead product. /SARCASM It is passing strange that a company that is software lifecycle impaired is selling software lifecycle tools. What next ? MS selling Linux security tools ? 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