BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Delphi Jobs Goto page 1, 2  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Henry Guest Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 9:03 pm    Post subject: Delphi Jobs I'm a contractor, so I often change jobs. Every Delphi job I find is to port Delphi code to C#. This has been going on for several months, and there are no exceptions (UK). I recently had an interview for one such job (although I hadn't been told anything in advance about the Delphi stuff). The interviewer told me that they are still on SA, and have Delphi 8, 2005, and 2006 sitting on the shelf unused. He used to be a Borland advocate, writing in the press for them, but they have now made a permanent decision to abandon the Delphi codebase, because: 1) They are global, and Unicode is required throughout the project. They want to use a platform which is Unicode throughout, not rely on third-party libraries. 2) They need native 64-bit now. 3) Borland have largely neglected Delphi as a coding tool, investing more in ALM, which he considers to be "extortionate". 4) Delphi for .NET takes far too long to support Microsoft's platform releases. 5) The last three versions of Delphi have been much less robust than Microsoft's development offerings. 6) Accessibility is essential for their government clients. I don't know much about accessibility , but he told me that Microsoft's tools provide much better out-of-the-box support for this, e.g. http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms228004(VS.80).aspx Therefore, they have concluded that rewriting all the Delphi code in C++ and C# with VS 2005 is the only way to meet their schedule within budget. (This actually makes more sense than it sounds, because most of the back-end is already in C++.) Back to top Lauchlan M Guest Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 2:03 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi Jobs Quote: but they have now made a permanent decision to abandon the Delphi codebase, because: 1) They are global, and Unicode is required throughout the project. They want to use a platform which is Unicode throughout, not rely on third-party libraries. 2) They need native 64-bit now. 3) Borland have largely neglected Delphi as a coding tool, investing more in ALM, which he considers to be "extortionate". 4) Delphi for .NET takes far too long to support Microsoft's platform releases. 5) The last three versions of Delphi have been much less robust than Microsoft's development offerings. 6) Accessibility is essential for their government clients. I don't know much about accessibility , but he told me that Microsoft's tools provide much better out-of-the-box support for this, e.g. http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms228004(VS.80).aspx Therefore, they have concluded that rewriting all the Delphi code in C++ and C# That's an interesting reflection - in business decisions - of the opinions of many here. Particularly updating the VCL for Unicode/native Win64. Incidently, why do they need native Win64 now? Is it a performance critical issue on the server or something? Lauchlan M Back to top Lauchlan M Guest Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 12:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi Jobs Quote: Incidently, why do they need native Win64 now? Is it a performance critical issue on the server or something? There are applications, not necessarily server applications, that demand 64 bits. Why wait after the machines have been around for a couple of years? I also find the lack of a decent 64bit compiler irritating at least. I was just curious about what applications required it in this instance. Lauchlan M Back to top Guest Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 12:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi Jobs Rene Tschaggelar <none (AT) none (DOT) net> writes: Quote: There are applications, not necessarily server applications, that demand 64 bits. Why wait after the machines have been around for a couple of years? I also find the lack of a decent 64bit compiler irritating at least. And what about support for multiprocessing ? Four and eight core machines are going to be common on desktops in a couple of years. Back to top Rene Tschaggelar Guest Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 12:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi Jobs Lauchlan M wrote: Quote: Incidently, why do they need native Win64 now? Is it a performance critical issue on the server or something? There are applications, not necessarily server applications, that demand 64 bits. Why wait after the machines have been around for a couple of years? I also find the lack of a decent 64bit compiler irritating at least. Rene Back to top Henry Guest Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 4:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi Jobs Lauchlan M wrote: Quote: Incidently, why do they need native Win64 now? Is it a performance critical issue on the server or something? Yes. Complex reporting on terabytes of data. Back to top Atmapuri Guest Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 6:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi Jobs Hi! Quote: 1) They are global, and Unicode is required throughout the project. They want to use a platform which is Unicode throughout, not rely on third-party libraries. 2) They need native 64-bit now. 3) Borland have largely neglected Delphi as a coding tool, investing more in ALM, which he considers to be "extortionate". 4) Delphi for .NET takes far too long to support Microsoft's platform releases. 5) The last three versions of Delphi have been much less robust than Microsoft's development offerings. True for .NET, but W32 in D2006 is OK. Nobody can blaim them for switching IDE's if they need .NET. I "hope" to see a usable Delphi.NET after Update #2 for D2006. Quote: 6) Accessibility is essential for their government clients. I don't know much about accessibility , but he told me that Microsoft's tools provide much better out-of-the-box support for this, e.g. http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms228004(VS.80).aspx In what way does it matter if you use accessability from Delphi.NET or C#? Only up to level where this support was not present in .NET v1.1. Quote: Therefore, they have concluded that rewriting all the Delphi code in C++ and C# with VS 2005 is the only way to meet their schedule within budget. (This actually makes more sense than it sounds, because most of the back-end is already in C++.) If they can afford to switch from Delphi to C++, of course. The main strength of Delphi was always near C++ strength, with lower development cost. Tool advantages matter only, in environments where money is not overflowing... Once you have established yourself in a certain market, growth rates of 50% per year are no longer neccessary and you can switch to lower gear... and tools that everybody else are using... But I completely understand their frustration with Delphi.NET. Best Regards! Atmapuri Back to top Matt Jacobs Guest Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 12:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi Jobs Henry <none (AT) none (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: I'm a contractor, so I often change jobs. Every Delphi job I find is to port Delphi code to C#. This has been going on for several months, and there are no exceptions (UK). I lot of companies in Silicon Valley are porting their Windows C++ MFC apps to C#, so it's not just Delphi that is getting hit (at least under Windows). Back to top Marco van de Voort Guest Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 1:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi Jobs On 2006-03-12, Rene Tschaggelar <none (AT) none (DOT) net> wrote: Quote: Lauchlan M wrote: Incidently, why do they need native Win64 now? Is it a performance critical issue on the server or something? There are applications, not necessarily server applications, that demand 64 bits. Why wait after the machines have been around for a couple of years? I also find the lack of a decent 64bit compiler irritating at least. Note that most not server 64-bit support usually don't support > 4GB of mem. Back to top Dennis Landi Guest Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 8:11 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi jobs "Anton Zhuchkov" <fireton (AT) garant (DOT) ru> wrote in message news:1287246301.20061026120038 (AT) garant (DOT) ru... Quote: Hello, Dennis. DL> It appears NZ is an Island in more ways than one... And some people appears to believe that only one country exists in the world. ;) Actually, here in Russia I get 500 vacancies right away from our biggest job search website job.ru And I think that they simply have limit on the query results. :) Good Lord, the Russian Mafia is taking over Delphi! Back to top Anton Zhuchkov Guest Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 8:12 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi jobs Hello, Dennis. DL> It appears NZ is an Island in more ways than one... And some people appears to believe that only one country exists in the world. ;) Actually, here in Russia I get 500 vacancies right away from our biggest job search website job.ru And I think that they simply have limit on the query results. :) -- Ton Back to top Chris Burrows Guest Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 8:12 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi jobs "Dennis Landi" <nada (AT) nada (DOT) com> wrote in message news:4540422b (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: It appears NZ is an Island in more ways than one... Correct. NZ is an Island in two ways, a North island and a South island :-) -- Chris Burrows CFB Software http://www.cfbsoftware.com/gpcp Back to top Hannes Danzl[NDD] Guest Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 8:12 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi jobs Quote: And, good lord Hannes!, why are you looking for a job????!!!!! I'm MOST DEFINTELY NOT! -- Hannes Danzl [NexusDB Developer] Newsgroup archive at http://www.tamaracka.com/search.htm Back to top Tom Reiertsen Guest Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 8:12 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi jobs "Dennis Landi" <nada (AT) nada (DOT) com> wrote in message news:45406c53 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: Good Lord, the Russian Mafia is taking over Delphi! Why do you thing the DevCo process is taking so long.... ? ;) Tom Back to top Dennis Landi Guest Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 8:12 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi jobs "Tom Reiertsen" <tom (AT) reiertsen (DOT) com> wrote in message news:45406cb2 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: "Dennis Landi" <nada (AT) nada (DOT) com> wrote in message news:45406c53 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Good Lord, the Russian Mafia is taking over Delphi! Why do you thing the DevCo process is taking so long.... ? 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