BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Delphi kicks C# butt Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message brade Guest Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 1:31 pm    Post subject: Delphi kicks C# butt "The biggest decrease in popularity can be seen with Java. While it took the biggest fall, it still held onto the top spot over C and C++. Gaining the most ground in August was PHP followed by Python. This, however, is not too much of a surprise due to the recent release of PHP 5. Even more surprising is the increase in the Delphi/Pascal/Kylix group" http://www.developer.com/java/other/article.php/3390001 -- Brad Put yourself online --> http://www.rightclick.com.au/ Back to top Michael Bennett Guest Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 2:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi kicks C# butt brade wrote: Quote: "The biggest decrease in popularity can be seen with Java. While it took the biggest fall, it still held onto the top spot over C and C++. Gaining the most ground in August was PHP followed by Python. This, however, is not too much of a surprise due to the recent release of PHP 5. Even more surprising is the increase in the Delphi/Pascal/Kylix group" http://www.developer.com/java/other/article.php/3390001 I remember reading about this back in June. Good to see that Delphi is still moving up, but it /still/ puzzles me that C# dropped. -Michael Bennett Back to top mamcx Guest Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 2:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi kicks C# butt Quote: Even more surprising is the increase in the Delphi/Pascal/Kylix group Yeah!!!! Our conspiracy is WORKING! The people are SO tired with bad news that, simply are ignoring it and stop to "lose" time in nesgroups and go working.... ;) Back to top John Jacobson Guest Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 3:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi kicks C# butt "brade" <bradintheusa (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote Quote: "The biggest decrease in popularity can be seen with Java. While it took the biggest fall, it still held onto the top spot over C and C++. Gaining the most ground in August was PHP followed by Python. This, however, is not too much of a surprise due to the recent release of PHP 5. Even more surprising is the increase in the Delphi/Pascal/Kylix group" http://www.developer.com/java/other/article.php/3390001 That shows a very noticeable upward spike in Delphi this year, to higher levels than seen at any other time in the graph. Very interesting. Rather than being dead, this seems to indicate some kind of surge in Delphi/Pascal "popularity". Could all of our doom and gloom been premature and/or misguided? Tune in next time. Same Bat Time. Same Bat Channel. -- Read Jake's Blog at http://blogs.slcdug.org/jjacobson/ Or Get the RSS Feed at http://blogs.slcdug.org/jjacobson/Rss.aspx Back to top JohnE Guest Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 3:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi kicks C# butt Quote: Could all of our doom and gloom been premature and/or misguided? Yes. It's always been that way. Sales are up. Back to top Thomas Miller Guest Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 3:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi kicks C# butt Compared to other products, Delphi must seem rock solid to new developers. To us that have used 1, 2, 3, and 4, Delphi 7 seems buggy. I am hoping Delphi 9 will reverse this trend, specifically in the VCL and related technologies (dbExpress DataSnap, etc.) -- Thomas Miller Delphi Client/Server Certified Developer BSS Accounting & Distribution Software BSS Enterprise Accounting FrameWork http://www.bss-software.com http://sourceforge.net/projects/dbexpressplus Back to top Eric Grange Guest Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 3:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi kicks C# butt Popularity is judged essentially by the number of newsgroup posts (x50 in search results in their criterion), so the ng flamewars actually helped the rankings ;) From now on, always place "delphi programming" in you posts, and +50 points for the next ranking. <g> Eric Back to top Craig Stuntz [TeamB] Guest Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 4:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi kicks C# butt Thomas Miller wrote: Quote: I am hoping Delphi 9 will reverse this trend, specifically in the VCL and related technologies (dbExpress DataSnap, etc.) Um, D7's DataSnap is *much* more stable than any other version I've used, even with the bugs introduced in the SP1 (NB: a public beta fix for these is on CodeCentral now). DataSnap has been getting better with every release, actually. -Craig -- Craig Stuntz [TeamB] . Vertex Systems Corp. . Columbus, OH Delphi/InterBase Weblog : http://blogs.teamb.com/craigstuntz Want to help make Delphi and InterBase better? Use QC! http://qc.borland.com -- Vote for important issues Back to top Mike Vance Guest Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 5:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi kicks C# butt Delphi 7 is rock solid. Perhaps there is a specific component or plug- in that is giving you problems. Especially when you contrast it with the dreaded Delphi 4! Quote: Compared to other products, Delphi must seem rock solid to new developers. To us that have used 1, 2, 3, and 4, Delphi 7 seems buggy. Back to top Thomas Miller Guest Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 5:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi kicks C# butt You are probably right. But when I compare it to TTable and the BDE, there isn't any comparison on stability. Granted, CDS now does a _lot_ more, but I wish the "lot more" was as rock solid as TTable was back in D2! The number one thing I liked about Delphi when I dumped Power Builder is that when I wrote some code it actually worked the way I expected. (I skipped D5). As of D4, 99% of the time when there was a bug, it was my bug. Now about half the time, it is a bug in the VCL, or some "feature" or "AsDesigned" implementation. I am sure I am more productive with Delphi (even with the increased imperfections in the current versions) then I would be with some other product. Wanting to see the imperfections gone isn't a bad thing (is it?). And that fact that I have reported lots of bugs that have been there since D6, tells me that resources are not being committed to Delphi in the quantity the product deserves. The lack of SPs on a timely continual basis is a sign that Delphi is not getting the resources it deserves. I hope Nick can come up with a plan to get management to stand up and notice. If they (management) isn't willing to put the resources forward, open source the VCL and let us do it!!! (as I did with dbExpress Plus). Hoping the best for Object Pascal and Delphi!!!! Craig Stuntz [TeamB] wrote: Quote: Thomas Miller wrote: I am hoping Delphi 9 will reverse this trend, specifically in the VCL and related technologies (dbExpress DataSnap, etc.) Um, D7's DataSnap is *much* more stable than any other version I've used, even with the bugs introduced in the SP1 (NB: a public beta fix for these is on CodeCentral now). DataSnap has been getting better with every release, actually. -Craig -- Thomas Miller Delphi Client/Server Certified Developer BSS Accounting & Distribution Software BSS Enterprise Accounting FrameWork http://www.bss-software.com http://sourceforge.net/projects/dbexpressplus Back to top Kevin Guest Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 5:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi kicks C# butt Eric Grange wrote: Quote: Popularity is judged essentially by the number of newsgroup posts (x50 in search results in their criterion), so the ng flamewars actually helped the rankings I was thinking the same thing when I saw the numbers! Quote: From now on, always place "delphi programming" in you posts, and +50 points for the next ranking. Or I could just reply to you and quote your message. ;-) Cheers, Kevin. Back to top Craig Stuntz [TeamB] Guest Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 5:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi kicks C# butt Thomas Miller wrote: Quote: You are probably right. But when I compare it to TTable and the BDE, there isn't any comparison on stability. Granted, CDS now does a lot more, but I wish the "lot more" was as rock solid as TTable was back in D2! I strongly disagree. The BDE's IB driver is not thread-safe. Never has been and never will be. Cached Updates and schema caching in the BDE is based on Paradox tables, which are *highly* unstable in a multiuser environment, requiring changes to the *client* system if you use them in an application. So you're left with the choice of not using these features or an installation nightmare. And speaking of installation nightmares, remember getting your BDE install trashed by Corel? Can't happen with DataSnap's static linking feature. Maybe the grass is greener in the past? Or maybe you just avoided the unstable parts. -Craig -- Craig Stuntz [TeamB] . Vertex Systems Corp. . Columbus, OH Delphi/InterBase Weblog : http://blogs.teamb.com/craigstuntz Useful articles about InterBase development: http://blogs.teamb.com/craigstuntz/category/21.aspx Back to top Thomas Miller Guest Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 5:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi kicks C# butt Delphi 4.03 is rock solid. I lived through the first 3 months of public beta, but every three or four months, things kept getting better and better. Can't say the same for D7. Now the IDE in D7 is the best of the lot, but the VCL has many new areas since D4 and those new areas are not up to the same quality of the VCL from D4. I would prefer Quality vs Quantity!!!. There are so many areas of the VCL in D7 that need work, it isn't even funny. Especially in dbExpress. Mike Vance wrote: Quote: Delphi 7 is rock solid. Perhaps there is a specific component or plug- in that is giving you problems. Especially when you contrast it with the dreaded Delphi 4! Compared to other products, Delphi must seem rock solid to new developers. To us that have used 1, 2, 3, and 4, Delphi 7 seems buggy. -- Thomas Miller Delphi Client/Server Certified Developer BSS Accounting & Distribution Software BSS Enterprise Accounting FrameWork http://www.bss-software.com http://sourceforge.net/projects/dbexpressplus Back to top Kevin Guest Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 5:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi kicks C# butt brade wrote: Quote: "The biggest decrease in popularity can be seen with Java. Could've seen that one coming... Java has been hyped up for years as the solution to everything. The reality is of course that it is not. Perhaps people have finally begun to realize that. I predict .NET (C#) is going through similar hurdles. Except the realization may be a bit quicker because many of the same lessons are being learnt that the Java people went through. Quote: Gaining the most ground in August was PHP followed by Python. And both have their places... but PHP and Python are very special-purpose languages. As opposed to Delphi that probably is the most general-purpose (and productive) language that exists today. Quote: Even more surprising is the increase in the Delphi/Pascal/Kylix group" Not surprising... if any of us were forced to drop Delphi right now what dev tool would we pick? Personally, I can't think of anything that can fill Delphi's role. What dev tool is as powerful with both Win32 and ..NET development while still remaining as productive? So... Delphi has a loyal following and for good reason. People who find Delphi stay with it. Cheers, Kevin. Back to top Thomas Miller Guest Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 6:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi kicks C# butt Craig Stuntz [TeamB] wrote: Quote: Thomas Miller wrote: You are probably right. But when I compare it to TTable and the BDE, there isn't any comparison on stability. Granted, CDS now does a lot more, but I wish the "lot more" was as rock solid as TTable was back in D2! I strongly disagree. The BDE's IB driver is not thread-safe. Never has been and never will be. Cached Updates and schema caching in the BDE is based on Paradox tables, which are *highly* unstable in a multiuser environment, requiring changes to the *client* system if you use them in an application. So you're left with the choice of not using these features or an installation nightmare. And speaking of installation nightmares, remember getting your BDE install trashed by Corel? Can't happen with DataSnap's static linking feature. Maybe the grass is greener in the past? Or maybe you just avoided the unstable parts. -Craig I didn't use cached updates, only TTable. So yes I ignored the bad parts. The BDE was a pain to install, but it worked. I can't say the same for dbExpress drives (a- Not a pain to install, b - has many big bugs ). How do you use the "future" database access sub system if there are big bugs in the core? After reading your reply again, keep in mind I am trying to state that the core parts of the VCL in Delphi 2 were rock solid. Same for D4.03. I don't feel the same about D7 VCL. I have almost no problems with the D7 IDE and am very pleased with it. 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