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Dennis Landi
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Ronald Hordijk
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 Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2004 10:36 am Post subject: Re: Delphi on Win/64 sighting |
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The reason I did not ask for for a native compiler is because I agree with
borland that there are more important features. Five more to be precise, you
can read the in my blog:
http://blogs.slcdug.org/rhordijk/archive/2004/12/27/748.aspx
Ronald
"Dennis Landi" <nada (AT) nada (DOT) com> schreef in bericht
news:41cd5e0f (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com...
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RandomAccess
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2004 11:41 am Post subject: Re: Delphi on Win/64 sighting |
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Some thoughts :
Add people to compiler team.
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In our experience, throwing more people into development
rarely (actually for us NEVER) helped much. Sure you might get more
done if you're lucky, but new issues arise from implementing
such a strategy. We've found that quality suffered the most.
For us, the tighter the team, the better the output.
Just finding the right people is problematic and takes time away from
programmers.
Add more NET language features to Win32.
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"....And when somebody want managed memory, he can write his own memory
manager."
Well, Delphi is a RAD system, is it not? I don't see many of us capable
of, or wanting to
writing a memory manager. I might be able to do it (if I'm lucky), but
would never want to.
NET 2.0 Support
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There's no way out of this. Borland have chosen to support NET and the
sooner
they do it the better. I'm not a NET developer myself, but it seems
obvious to me
that since Borland have started on this track, it surely (and quite
rightly) must be a
priority for them.
I know that if I need to one day port my Win32 app to NET, I want Borland's
NET related code and cross compiler code to be as good as possible. I just
don't see
Borland doing any more work on Win32 in Delphi as productive for them.
Win64 is another matter, but isn't related to this post.
Multi-Threading support
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On the subject of better threading support for Win32.
I've done some multi-threading work and I can only say it's just plain
difficult at times.
I'm wondering exactly what you think Borland should do to improve the
situation because many issues have nothing to do with Delphi at all.
They could make more of the VCL thread safe, but outside of that what else
could they do?
Your blog mentions absolutely no specifics about what exactly you want, so
I wonder why
you wrote this in the first place.
best regards
best regards
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Arthur Hoornweg
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2004 2:43 pm Post subject: Re: Delphi on Win/64 sighting |
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Ronald Hordijk wrote:
| Quote: | The reason I did not ask for for a native compiler is because I agree with
borland that there are more important features. Five more to be precise, you
can read the in my blog:
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For me there's only one thing that I really need *now* and
that's good unicode support for Win32. Our current projects
will also be used in countries that use Arabic and Kyrillic
alphabets.
The past few months I had to carefully strip a huge
32-bit project from all Borland VCL components and now
use LMD Elpack components instead. Not a fun thing
to do.
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Arthur Hoornweg
(In order to reply per e-mail, please just remove the ".net"
from my e-mail address. Leave the rest of the address intact
including the "antispam" part. I had to take this measure to
counteract unsollicited mail.)
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Andrew Rybenkov
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2004 4:10 pm Post subject: Re: Delphi on Win/64 sighting |
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| Quote: | Not a fun thing to do.
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though it's a fun when done.
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Andrew Rybenkov.
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Arthur Hoornweg
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| Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 2:50 pm Post subject: Re: Delphi on Win/64 sighting |
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Andrew Rybenkov wrote:
| Quote: | though it's a fun when done.
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Yes, but in the process I've found a dozen serious bugs in
Elpack. The developer team was very quick in fixing them,
though.
Still one thing won't work as advertized and that's the use
of right-to-left (arabic/persian) Unicode editing under Win98.
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Arthur Hoornweg
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Andrew Rybenkov
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| Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2004 7:56 pm Post subject: Re: Delphi on Win/64 sighting |
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| Quote: | Yes, but in the process I've found a dozen serious bugs in
Elpack. The developer team was very quick in fixing them,
though.
Still one thing won't work as advertized and that's the use
of right-to-left (arabic/persian) Unicode editing under Win98.
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Well, what I meant about fun - total abandoning of VCL (as well as any other
3-rd party GUI lib).
Of course, if someone write a "make-and-forget" program those libs are ok.
But if your software should evolve, the best you can it's to limit interactions with OS to minimum.
It's not a fun to write most things yourself, but once it's done - you are most free software designer
in the world  -
you can port you program(s) to other OS in matter of few days; you do not care what Win versions your
customers run, because your software run under even Win95 (and in the same time it is not limited with
that OS limitations).
In the same stream, do not use "uncommon" language feautures, - like properties or interfaces in Delphi,
or multiple inheritence in C++, - thus you will not be locked to a particular vendor and/or language.
Once you adopt "Ascetic Programming" you will see that many problems are not problems at all.
(Particularly that right-to-left "problem" - let for MS that would be a problem - for you - it's just drawing
font glyphs on memory bitmap from right to left, and blitting the bitmap to screen - much easier that fighting
with next quirk of next OS version)
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Andrew Rybenkov.
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