BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Delphi Pricing and Rip-Off Britain Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Derek Davidson Guest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 2:58 pm    Post subject: Delphi Pricing and Rip-Off Britain More and more UK sources are reporting on the rip-off pricing being foisted upon UK customers by US suppliers. This same pricing policy appears to have been applied across most non-US countries. You may have read some of the earlier discussions on this very topic in these newsgroups where the basic premise was that 'Borland charges what it does in the UK, because it can'. It has nothing to do with fairness or dollar exchange rates. I, for one, have had enough of it and intend to do something about it. I'm already looking at sourcing fully legal software in the US which I will be selling at greatly reduced pricing here in the UK and I intend to do this with Delphi too. I have a source in the USA that will provide these products to me at US retail prices. The price I will charge depends on a number of factors including the lowest available retail price in the UK and the current UK Pound Sterling / US Dollar exchange rate. In any event, you'll save a significant amount of money over buying at UK retail prices. If you're in the UK (or anywhere in the World where you're happy to use US English language product), please e-mail me and tell me what product you're interested in. I'm especially interested in those wishing to purchase the next version of Delphi. If you can let me know what edition of Delphi you'd like and whether it's the full version or the upgrade that you need, that would be great. I don't want any money or deposit at this stage, just an indication of demand. Please e-mail me now at: derek.davidson (at) gmail (dot) com -- Derek Davidson Back to top Atmapuri Guest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 3:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi Pricing and Rip-Off Britain Hi! Quote: More and more UK sources are reporting on the rip-off pricing being foisted upon UK customers by US suppliers. This same pricing policy appears to have been applied across most non-US countries. I think its Borland's obligation to keep the companies they have contract with, within the contract limits. Otherwise the image of entire company suffers... Best Regards! Atmapuri Back to top Derek Davidson Guest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 3:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi Pricing and Rip-Off Britain Atmapuri wrote: Quote: I think its Borland's obligation to keep the companies they have contract with, within the contract limits. This would imply that there are contract limits but the only thing I've seen here is that Borland let's in-country distributors do their own thing. It's not just Borland though by a long chalk. A LOT of US companies do this, one of the worst being Adobe. If you try and make an e-purchase for downloadable software from adobe.com (in US dollars), you can only do so with a US based credit/debit card. If you're in the UK, you have to buy from adobe.co.uk and pay MUCH more for exactly the same downloadable product. I think that's a rip-off. -- Derek Davidson Back to top Johnnie Norsworthy Guest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 3:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi Pricing and Rip-Off Britain "Derek Davidson" <derek.davidson (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote Quote: It's not just Borland though by a long chalk. A LOT of US companies do this, one of the worst being Adobe. If you try and make an e-purchase for downloadable software from adobe.com (in US dollars), you can only do so with a US based credit/debit card. If you're in the UK, you have to buy from adobe.co.uk and pay MUCH more for exactly the same downloadable product. Could there be any hidden costs associated with selling a US software product to The UK, such as government fees? I dunno, just thought it might be a possibility. Of course if there are other fees added, they can be overcharged as well by unscrupulous companies. Back to top Ralf Mimoun Guest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 3:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi Pricing and Rip-Off Britain Derek, maybe you can help us non-British europeans, too. You know, the small people on the other side of the sea :-) Delphi 2005 Architect German version from Borland Germany: 4048 Euro = 4857 US$ Delphi 2005 Architect English version from Borland Germany: 4048 Euro = 4857 US$ Delphi 2005 Architect English version from Borland USA: 2908 Euro = 3490 US$ So, the same product costs about 40% more here in Germany than in the USA. Wow. Maybe there a VAT issue, but Wow, nonetheless. Ralf Back to top Kevin Berry Guest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 3:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi Pricing and Rip-Off Britain Johnnie Norsworthy wrote: Quote: Could there be any hidden costs associated with selling a US software product to The UK, such as government fees? I dunno, just thought it might be a possibility. Of course if there are other fees added, they can be overcharged as well by unscrupulous companies. I know that South Africa had 100% import duty applicable to software at one stage (years back, I'm not sure about the situation now) so you may well be right. Cheers, Kevin. Back to top Derek Davidson Guest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 3:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi Pricing and Rip-Off Britain Johnnie Norsworthy wrote: Quote: Could there be any hidden costs associated with selling a US software product to The UK, such as government fees? Not as far as I am aware. The only change that occurred recently was the requirement that VAT be collected on all purchases from within the EU. -- Derek Davidson Back to top Derek Davidson Guest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 3:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi Pricing and Rip-Off Britain Ralf Mimoun wrote: Quote: maybe you can help us non-British europeans, too. You know, the small people on the other side of the sea LOL How are you Ralf? Have you got yourself a new car yet? I'm looking for a fairly new VW Passat (Diesel of course) now :-) But on the topic, I agree with you wholeheartedly. The price differential is just too much. In the case of German versions (or French versions, or Spanish etc, etc) there is the issue of the language. I have no idea how much that is 'worth'. Quote: Delphi 2005 Architect German version from Borland Germany: 4048 Euro = 4857 US$ Delphi 2005 Architect English version from Borland Germany: 4048 Euro = 4857 US$ Delphi 2005 Architect English version from Borland USA: 2908 Euro = 3490 US$ So, the same product costs about 40% more here in Germany than in the USA. Wow. Maybe there a VAT issue, but Wow, nonetheless. If you guys want me to source US English language versions for you, I'm right there. I'd be delighted to ship anywhere within the EU. UK VAT currently runs at 17.5%. I am certain I can save significant money even taking VAT into account. I'm looking into opening a US corporation to get tax benefits over there thus reducing the US purchase price further. Luckily, I still have a lot of contacts from my 6 years spent working over there :-) -- Derek Davidson Back to top Roberto Icardi Guest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 3:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi Pricing and Rip-Off Britain Wow.. yes!!! I've checked here in Italy: delphi 2005 architect new user list price EUR 3490.00 + 20% VAT = EUR 4188.00 "street" price = EUR 3280.60 + 20% VAT = EUR 3936.72 There's also an offer "small team" for 2 licenses of D2005 Enterprise at EUR 3750.60 + VAT www.gorilla.it As we are in EEC maybe could be convenient to buy in Italy.. I think there are no restrictions... Back to top Lauchlan M Guest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi Pricing and Rip-Off Britain Quote: I, for one, have had enough of it and intend to do something about it. I'm already looking at sourcing fully legal software in the US which I will be selling at greatly reduced pricing here in the UK and I intend to do this with Delphi too. I have a source in the USA that will provide these products to me at US retail prices. The price I will charge depends on a number of factors including the lowest available retail price in the UK and the current UK Pound Sterling / US Dollar exchange rate. In any event, you'll save a significant amount of money over buying at UK retail prices. I'd spend some time first making sure its ok legally. I thought there were meant to be restrictions on shops in one country selling to another (otherwise these price differentials couldn't really exist for long in the first place). It's worth double-checking first to make sure you don't get burnt after making commitments. Lauchlan M Back to top Steve Heights Guest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi Pricing and Rip-Off Britain Quote: Delphi 2005 Architect German version from Borland Germany: 4048 Euro = 4857 US$ See www.btb-shop.de for this offer: Delphi 2005 Architect (German) dt. CD - 3 477.00 EUR (+ 11.00 for s&h) They offer a lot of products at very reasonable prices, and they have student-editions of many products that are hard to find in regular stores. Steve Back to top Dave Moore Guest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi Pricing and Rip-Off Britain "Derek Davidson" <derek.davidson (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote Quote: Atmapuri wrote: I think its Borland's obligation to keep the companies they have contract with, within the contract limits. This would imply that there are contract limits but the only thing I've seen here is that Borland let's in-country distributors do their own thing. It's not just Borland though by a long chalk. A LOT of US companies do this, one of the worst being Adobe. The same applies to Telescopes. Many US companies simply stick a £ instead of a $ on the price, and then insist on giving UK-based distributors exclusive rights to sell their products in the UK, at the vastly inflated prices. Note that I think this is a common business practise across the world, not just the US. But it sucks nevertheless. Best, Dave Back to top Max Guest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi Pricing and Rip-Off Britain Ralf Mimoun wrote: Quote: Derek, maybe you can help us non-British europeans, too. You know, the small people on the other side of the sea :-) Delphi 2005 Architect German version from Borland Germany: 4048 Euro = 4857 US$ Delphi 2005 Architect English version from Borland Germany: 4048 Euro = 4857 US$ Delphi 2005 Architect English version from Borland USA: 2908 Euro = 3490 US$ So, the same product costs about 40% more here in Germany than in the USA. Wow. Maybe there a VAT issue, but Wow, nonetheless. Ralf wow! $4857. Is it the student version? Back to top Dallas Goldswain Guest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 5:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi Pricing and Rip-Off Britain Kevin Berry wrote: Quote: I know that South Africa had 100% import duty applicable to software at one stage (years back, I'm not sure about the situation now) so you may well be right. Cheers, Kevin. Hi, Our wonderful government has dropped all import duties on IT related hardware and electronic good, we only pay VAT on top, which we can claim back, and if its an online purchase sometimes it doesnt get added. We have the same proble here with MS, we pay dollar pricing here for there good, so if its $200 for and item we pay exchange rate * $200. It sucks, but if i could get it in the USA it would be far cheaper -- --- Dallas Goldswain www.retro-eddy.co.za Back to top Dallas Goldswain Guest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 5:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi Pricing and Rip-Off Britain Sorry let me fix a few errors Our wonderful government has dropped all import duties on IT related hardware and software and electronic goods, we only pay VAT on top, which we can claim back, and if its an online purchase sometimes it doesnt get added. We have the same proble here with MS, we pay dollar pricing here for there good, so if its $200 for and item we pay exchange rate * $200. It sucks, but if i could get it in the USA it would be far cheaper -- --- Dallas Goldswain www.retro-eddy.co.za Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical All times are GMT Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9  Next Page 1 of 9   Jump to: Select a forum C++ Builder Newsgroups----------------C++ BuilderC++ Builder (ActiveX)C++ Builder (Announcements)C++ Builder (Command Line Tools)C++ Builder DatabasesC++ Builder Databases (ADO)C++ Builder Databases (Desktop)C++ Builder Databases (InterBase Express)C++ Builder Databases (Multi-Tier)C++ Builder Databases (SQL Servers)C++ Builder (Graphics)C++ Builder (IDE)C++ Builder (Internet)C++ Builder (Internet Socket)C++ Builder (Internet Web)C++ Builder (Jobs)C++ Builder (Language)C++ Builder (Language C++)C++ Builder (Compatibility with MFC)C++ Builder (Native API)C++ Builder (Non-Technical)C++ Builder (Students)C++ Builder (Third Party Tools)C++ Builder (Upgrade)C++ Builder (VCL)C++ Builder (VCL Components Usage)C++ Builder (VCL Components Development)C++ Builder (VCL Usage)C++ Builder (WinAPI)C++ Builder Installation Delphi Newsgroups----------------Delphi (General)Delphi ActiveX Controls UsageDelphi ActiveX Controls DevelopmentDelphi As400Delphi DatabasesDelphi Databases (ADO)Delphi Databases (dbExpress)Delphi Databases (Desktop)Delphi Databases (InterBase Express)Delphi Databases (Multi-Tier)Delphi Databases (SQL Servers)Delphi DeploymentDelphi GraphicsDelphi IDEDelphi InternationalizationDelphi InternetDelphi Internet Isapi-WebBrokerDelphi Internet WebSnapDelphi Internet WinsockDelphi JobsDelphi Language BASMDelphi Language ObjectPascalDelphi Model Driven Architecture (General)Delphi Model Driven Architecture (Third Party)Delphi MultimediaDelphi Native APIDelphi Non-TechnicalDelphi ObjectPascalDelphi OLE AutomationDelphi OO designDelphi OpenToolsAPIDelphi Reporting-ChartingDelphi RTLDelphi StudentsDelphi TeamSourceDelphi Thirdparty ToolsDelphi Thirdparty Tools (General)Delphi Thirdparty Tools (IntraWeb)Delphi Thirdparty Tools (RaveReports)Delphi UpgradeDelphi VCLDelphi VCL ComponentsDelphi VCL Components UsingDelphi VCL Components WritingDelphi WebServices SOAPDelphi WinAPIDelphi XMLDelphi Installationcomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.misccomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.usagecomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.writingcomp.lang.pascal.delphi.databasescomp.lang.pascal.delphi.misccomp.sources.delphi JBuilder Newsgroups----------------JBuilderJBuilder AnnouncementsJBuilder Applet IssuesJBuilder As400JBuilder CompilerJBuilder CORBA/RMIJBuilder DatabasesJBuilder DB SwingJBuilder DebuggerJBuilder DeploymentJBuilder DocumentationJBuilder EnterpriseJBuilder HandheldJBuilder IDEJBuilder JavaJBuilder JavaAPIJBuilder Java LanguageJBuilder Java SwingJBuilder Java BeansJBuilder Java Beans UsageJBuilder Java Beans DevelopmentJBuilder JBCLJBuilder JDataStoreJBuilder JobsJBuilder LinuxJBuilder MacintoshJBuilder & MobileSetJBuilder MultiLingual AppsJBuilder Non-TechnicalJBuilder OpenToolsJBuilder Servlets (JSP)JBuilder StudentsJBuilder Team DevelopmentJBuilder Thirdparty ToolsJBuilder UpgradeJBuilder Installation InterBase Newsgroups----------------InterBaseInterBase Bug DiscussionInterBase GeneralInterBase IBConsoleInterBase OpenSourceInterBase ReplicationInterBase SQLInterBase ThirdpartyInterBase Installation Miscellaneous Borland Newsgroups----------------AppCenterAppServerEnteraVisiBroker  You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2006 phpBB Group SEO toolkit © 2004-2006 webmedic.