BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Delphi To Run Natively on Mac OS X          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Kevin Berry Guest Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 5:54 pm    Post subject: Delphi To Run Natively on Mac OS X Thanks to Darwine and CodeWeavers. Basically it is the same thing as Wine on Linux, but it is now made possible because of Apple switching to x86. Since Delphi runs, albeit older versions, under Wine it'll soon (2006) be seen running on a Mac x86. :-) http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1830471,00.asp Back to top Michael Stum Guest Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 8:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi To Run Natively on Mac OS X Kevin Berry schrieb: Quote: Thanks to Darwine and CodeWeavers. Basically it is the same thing as Wine on Linux, but it is now made possible because of Apple switching to x86. Since Delphi runs, albeit older versions, under Wine it'll soon (2006) be seen running on a Mac x86. :-) http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1830471,00.asp That is not "Natively". Native != Emulation Back to top GrandmasterB Guest Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 8:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi To Run Natively on Mac OS X "Michael Stum" <devnull (AT) stum (DOT) de> wrote Quote: Kevin Berry schrieb: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1830471,00.asp That is not "Natively". Native != Emulation WINE = Wine Is Not an Emulator Back to top Michael Stum Guest Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 11:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi To Run Natively on Mac OS X GrandmasterB schrieb: Quote: "Michael Stum" <devnull (AT) stum (DOT) de> wrote in message news:42bc6a46 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Kevin Berry schrieb: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1830471,00.asp That is not "Natively". Native != Emulation WINE = Wine Is Not an Emulator This is what they say. But it is not native Windows API, so it is either some sort of emulation or a rewrite of parts => Still not native. Back to top Dan Palley Guest Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 1:37 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi To Run Natively on Mac OS X "Michael Stum" <devnull (AT) stum (DOT) de> wrote Quote: GrandmasterB schrieb: "Michael Stum" <devnull (AT) stum (DOT) de> wrote in message news:42bc6a46 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Kevin Berry schrieb: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1830471,00.asp That is not "Natively". Native != Emulation WINE = Wine Is Not an Emulator This is what they say. But it is not native Windows API, so it is either some sort of emulation or a rewrite of parts => Still not native. Well, it's native in the same sense that DOS and 16-bit Windows apps can run natively under Windows XP and Windows 200x. The original API calls are redirected to an equivalent API call or an emulation subsystem. The non-API parts of the applications are running natively. "Emulation" only comes into play when calling into the OS API. Dan Back to top Kevin Guest Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 3:23 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi To Run Natively on Mac OS X Michael Stum wrote: Quote: That is not "Natively". Native != Emulation It's native because it is x86. It's just a different set of APIs on top of the same underlying OS. Cheers, Kevin. Back to top Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] Guest Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 1:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi To Run Natively on Mac OS X At 01:59:44, 25.06.2005, Michael Stum wrote: Quote: This is what they say. But it is not native Windows API, so it is either some sort of emulation or a rewrite of parts => Still not native. Of course it is native. It produces native ELF executables. It is a compatibility library, but still native. -- Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] http://velthuis.homepage.t-online.de "The difference between fiction and reality? Fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy Back to top Kevin Berry Guest Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 9:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi To Run Natively on Mac OS X Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] wrote: Quote: Of course it is native. It produces native ELF executables. It is a compatibility library, but still native. Actually... I believe you're thinking of WINELib. Those are libraries that you link to statically. So applications that you compile will be ELF executables. From the WineHQ site: <quote> Myth 1: "Wine is slow because it is an emulator" Some people mean by that that Wine must emulate each processor instruction of the Windows application. This is plain wrong. As Wine's name says: "Wine Is Not an Emulator": Wine does not emulate the Intel x86 processor. It will thus not be as slow as Wabi which, since it is not running on a x86 Intel processor, also has to emulate the processor. Windows applications that do not make system calls will run just as fast as on Windows (no more no less). </quote> Technically, I suppose, it is still more accurate to say that WINE applications are not actually running natively since native implies using the OS' own APIs. However, all that WINE is doing is mapping API calls to their appropriate underlying Linux/Macintel API call. Not quite native, but pretty darn close. Cheers, Kevin. Back to top Scott Wyatt Guest Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 4:50 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi To Run Natively on Mac OS X Kevin Berry wrote: Quote: Thanks to Darwine and CodeWeavers. Basically it is the same thing as Wine on Linux, but it is now made possible because of Apple switching to x86. Since Delphi runs, albeit older versions, under Wine it'll soon (2006) be seen running on a Mac x86. :-) http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1830471,00.asp I'd still rather have a "native" Delphi that creates Apple HIG-comliant interfaces. Still, it's better than nothing if I use Delphi. So far, the FreePascal experiment with Xcode is going ok, but it limits me to Carbon interface elements. The Carbon nibs do function, though! I'm using Delphi 6, which I love, so having it on my Mac and turning off the PC forever would be cause for celebration. - Scott Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical All times are GMT Page 1 of 1   Jump to: Select a forum C++ Builder Newsgroups----------------C++ BuilderC++ Builder (ActiveX)C++ Builder (Announcements)C++ Builder (Command Line Tools)C++ Builder DatabasesC++ Builder Databases (ADO)C++ Builder Databases (Desktop)C++ Builder Databases (InterBase Express)C++ Builder Databases (Multi-Tier)C++ Builder Databases (SQL Servers)C++ Builder (Graphics)C++ Builder (IDE)C++ Builder (Internet)C++ Builder (Internet Socket)C++ Builder (Internet Web)C++ Builder (Jobs)C++ Builder (Language)C++ Builder (Language C++)C++ Builder (Compatibility with MFC)C++ Builder (Native API)C++ Builder (Non-Technical)C++ Builder (Students)C++ Builder (Third Party Tools)C++ Builder (Upgrade)C++ Builder (VCL)C++ Builder (VCL Components Usage)C++ Builder (VCL Components Development)C++ Builder (VCL Usage)C++ Builder (WinAPI)C++ Builder Installation Delphi Newsgroups----------------Delphi (General)Delphi ActiveX Controls UsageDelphi ActiveX Controls DevelopmentDelphi As400Delphi DatabasesDelphi Databases (ADO)Delphi Databases (dbExpress)Delphi Databases (Desktop)Delphi Databases (InterBase Express)Delphi Databases (Multi-Tier)Delphi Databases (SQL Servers)Delphi DeploymentDelphi GraphicsDelphi IDEDelphi InternationalizationDelphi InternetDelphi Internet Isapi-WebBrokerDelphi Internet WebSnapDelphi Internet WinsockDelphi JobsDelphi Language BASMDelphi Language ObjectPascalDelphi Model Driven Architecture (General)Delphi Model Driven Architecture (Third Party)Delphi MultimediaDelphi Native APIDelphi Non-TechnicalDelphi ObjectPascalDelphi OLE AutomationDelphi OO designDelphi OpenToolsAPIDelphi Reporting-ChartingDelphi RTLDelphi StudentsDelphi TeamSourceDelphi Thirdparty ToolsDelphi Thirdparty Tools (General)Delphi Thirdparty Tools (IntraWeb)Delphi Thirdparty Tools (RaveReports)Delphi UpgradeDelphi VCLDelphi VCL ComponentsDelphi VCL Components UsingDelphi VCL Components WritingDelphi WebServices SOAPDelphi WinAPIDelphi XMLDelphi Installationcomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.misccomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.usagecomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.writingcomp.lang.pascal.delphi.databasescomp.lang.pascal.delphi.misccomp.sources.delphi JBuilder Newsgroups----------------JBuilderJBuilder AnnouncementsJBuilder Applet IssuesJBuilder As400JBuilder CompilerJBuilder CORBA/RMIJBuilder DatabasesJBuilder DB SwingJBuilder DebuggerJBuilder DeploymentJBuilder DocumentationJBuilder EnterpriseJBuilder HandheldJBuilder IDEJBuilder JavaJBuilder JavaAPIJBuilder Java LanguageJBuilder Java SwingJBuilder Java BeansJBuilder Java Beans UsageJBuilder Java Beans DevelopmentJBuilder JBCLJBuilder JDataStoreJBuilder JobsJBuilder LinuxJBuilder MacintoshJBuilder & MobileSetJBuilder MultiLingual AppsJBuilder Non-TechnicalJBuilder OpenToolsJBuilder Servlets (JSP)JBuilder StudentsJBuilder Team DevelopmentJBuilder Thirdparty ToolsJBuilder UpgradeJBuilder Installation InterBase Newsgroups----------------InterBaseInterBase Bug DiscussionInterBase GeneralInterBase IBConsoleInterBase OpenSourceInterBase ReplicationInterBase SQLInterBase ThirdpartyInterBase Installation Miscellaneous Borland Newsgroups----------------AppCenterAppServerEnteraVisiBroker  You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2006 phpBB Group SEO toolkit © 2004-2006 webmedic.