BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Delphi will not run on future versions of Windows?          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message TObject Guest Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:56 pm    Post subject: Delphi will not run on future versions of Windows? This discussion is predicated on the fact that Delphi 8 does not work under Windows 2003 SP1. If this is not true, please go the borland.public.install.delphi newsgroup and respond to the "Windows 2003 SP 1 and Delphi 8" thread that has been sitting there with no answers for several days. Delphi 5 runs under Windows 2003 SP1 no problem. Visual Studio.NET 2003 runs under Windows 2003 SP1 no problem. Delphi 8 does not. Sure there can be workarounds, centered on running Delphi under legacy Windows versions (via virtual machines, multiple boot systems, or separate computers - what have you), however, I find it very troubling that no longer Delphi can be counted on to run in an up to date Windows environment. Back to top Charles McAllister Guest Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi will not run on future versions of Windows? TObject wrote: Quote: This discussion is predicated on the fact that Delphi 8 does not work under Windows 2003 SP1. If this is not true, please go the borland.public.install.delphi newsgroup and respond to the "Windows 2003 SP 1 and Delphi 8" thread that has been sitting there with no answers for several days. i wasn't able to get Delphi 7 to work right under XP x64 edition. i kept getting 'call to os function failed'. if anyone is running Delphi under x64 please chime up and let me know, and i might try it again sometime (i went back to XP professional, 32-bit). Back to top Kevin Berry Guest Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 6:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi will not run on future versions of Windows? Charles McAllister wrote: Quote: i wasn't able to get Delphi 7 to work right under XP x64 edition. i kept getting 'call to os function failed'. if anyone is running Delphi under x64 please chime up and let me know, and i might try it again sometime (i went back to XP professional, 32-bit). I also wasn't able to get Delphi 2005 to work under XP x64 edition. I didn't try that hard though. :-) Cheers, Kevin. Back to top somebody Guest Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 7:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi will not run on future versions of Windows? "TObject" <newsgroupreader (AT) pronografics (DOT) com> wrote Quote: This discussion is predicated on the fact that Delphi 8 does not work under Windows 2003 SP1. Why on earth would you try to run Delphi 8 on *any* version of Windows? Back to top Alessandro Federici Guest Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 8:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi will not run on future versions of Windows? "somebody" <somebody (AT) somewhere (DOT) com> wrote [..] Quote: Why on earth would you try to run Delphi 8 on *any* version of Windows? Probabily cuz it would work better than say on a Solaris server or PlayStation boxe? <MG> -- Best regards, Alessandro Federici Back to top Rick Carter Guest Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 9:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi will not run on future versions of Windows? Quote: This discussion is predicated on the fact that Delphi 8 does not work under Windows 2003 SP1. Why on earth would you try to run Delphi 8 on *any* version of Windows? Well, I gave up on Delphi 8 a long time ago and uninstalled it, but that's because my company bought it with SA and I now have Delphi 2005 (which, for me, works well enough most of the time). But if somebody paid good money for Delphi 8 and can't use it, I think that reflects badly on Borland. You could point the finger at Microsoft if something got broken, but still Borland is going to get a bad rep if it treats Delphi 8 as abandonware. OTOH, Windows 2003 was not on the list of supported platforms for Delphi 8, was it? Rick Carter [email]carterrk (AT) despammed (DOT) com[/email] Chair, Delphi/Paradox SIG, Cincinnati PC Users Group --- posted by geoForum on http://delphi.newswhat.com Back to top Rick Carter Guest Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 9:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi will not run on future versions of Windows? Quote: This discussion is predicated on the fact that Delphi 8 does not work under Windows 2003 SP1. If this is not true, please go the borland.public.install.delphi newsgroup and respond to the "Windows 2003 SP 1 and Delphi 8" thread that has been sitting there with no answers for several days. Just in case you were not aware, the b.p.install.* groups are no longer official support channels, and are now just peer support (though a Borlander may occasionally wander in). You should also go to the Borland Support Center and open a case: http://support.borland.com/category.jspa?categoryID=94 Best of luck to you. Sorry I didn't think to mention this earlier! Rick Carter [email]carterrk (AT) despammed (DOT) com[/email] Chair, Delphi/Paradox SIG, Cincinnati PC Users Group --- posted by geoForum on http://delphi.newswhat.com Back to top TObject Guest Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 2:17 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi will not run on future versions of Windows? "somebody" <somebody (AT) somewhere (DOT) com> wrote Quote: Why on earth would you try to run Delphi 8 on *any* version of Windows? We have a number of projects developed with Delphi 8. One of the projects needs some minor changes. Back to top Uffe Kousgaard Guest Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 5:51 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi will not run on future versions of Windows? "Rick Carter" <carterrk (AT) despammed (DOT) com> wrote Quote: OTOH, Windows 2003 was not on the list of supported platforms for Delphi 8, was it? Delphi 8 is not the only application with that problem. Acrobat Reader 7 is the same and so is MapInfo Professional. Back to top Arthur Hoornweg Guest Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 11:00 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi will not run on future versions of Windows? Quote: Charles McAllister wrote: i wasn't able to get Delphi 7 to work right under XP x64 edition. i kept getting 'call to os function failed'. if anyone is running Try Microsoft's Dependency Walker (depends.exe) to find out exactly what call fails. It is part of the platform SDK and can be downloaded from their site. -- Arthur Hoornweg (In order to reply per e-mail, please just remove the ".net" from my e-mail address. Leave the rest of the address intact including the "antispam" part. I had to take this measure to counteract unsollicited mail.) Back to top Kevin Berry Guest Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 5:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi will not run on future versions of Windows? Arthur Hoornweg wrote: Quote: Try Microsoft's Dependency Walker (depends.exe) to find out exactly what call fails. It is part of the platform SDK and can be downloaded from their site. Or there's an app (Dependency Viewer) written in Delphi that'll do the same thing- smaller download: http://www.volweb.cz/pvones/delphi/ Cheers, Kevin. Back to top Arthur Hoornweg Guest Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 3:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi will not run on future versions of Windows? Kevin Berry schreef: Quote: Or there's an app (Dependency Viewer) written in Delphi that'll do the same thing- smaller download: No it does not -dependency viewer only displays statically linked dll's. Dependency walker, on the other hand, is a real little debugging gem. Dependency walker will actually let you start your application and monitors exactly what dll's the program loads at *runtime*, including any dynamically linked dll's. If procedures are missing in a dll (getprocaddress returns null) it will display a warning in red. If a dynamically loaded dll is missing completely, you will find out. If a DLL is loaded at a base address other than its pre-defined base address, you will know. It will even tell you the exact sequence at which the dll's are loaded. If you interpret the results correctly,you can also see if any DLL's are dynamically injected into the application (setting system hooks etc). This makes it also a good tool for detecting some trojan horses and key loggers. -- Arthur Hoornweg (In order to reply per e-mail, please just remove the ".net" from my e-mail address. Leave the rest of the address intact including the "antispam" part. I had to take this measure to counteract unsollicited mail.) Back to top Kevin Berry Guest Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 1:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi will not run on future versions of Windows? Arthur Hoornweg wrote: Quote: dynamically linked dll's. If procedures are missing in a dll (getprocaddress returns null) it will display a warning in red. If a dynamically loaded dll is missing completely, you will find out. If a DLL is loaded at a base address other than its pre-defined base address, you will know. OK, I should've read the previous posts properly. I must say that I've really only used depends.exe to view the statically linked DLLs. I didn't realize it had additional functionality. Thanks for the tip! Cheers, Kevin. Back to top Arthur Hoornweg Guest Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 6:22 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi will not run on future versions of Windows? Kevin Berry schreef: Quote: Thanks for the tip! Actually, you've given me an idea. I could use "depends" to monitor what packages Delphi loads and see if they get loaded at their correct base addresses. If not, I could re-compile the packages with an appropriate $imagebase and maybe cut the loading time of Delphi in half! -- Arthur Hoornweg (In order to reply per e-mail, please just remove the ".net" from my e-mail address. Leave the rest of the address intact including the "antispam" part. I had to take this measure to counteract unsollicited mail.) Back to top Kevin Berry Guest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi will not run on future versions of Windows? Arthur Hoornweg wrote: Quote: Actually, you've given me an idea. I could use "depends" to monitor what packages Delphi loads and see if they get loaded at their correct base addresses. If not, I could re-compile the packages with an appropriate $imagebase and maybe cut the loading time of Delphi in half! Let me know how this turns out... If it improves the load time significantly I may go to the effort of doing that myself! Cheers, Kevin. 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