BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Depressing... Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> C++ Builder (Non-Technical) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Kenneth de Camargo Guest Posted: Tue May 04, 2004 7:58 pm    Post subject: Depressing... Venting again. Just took a quick look at Borland Developer Network's homepage. There are 44 entries in roughly 2 months (between Feb 24th - Apr 29th), and exactly *1* reference to C++, just to mention that the mobile version has a common IDE with Java. Additionally, David I says, on a remark on Bill Gates visit to Borland's booth on some event: "I mentioned how easy we’ve allowed our millions of Delphi developers to move their applications to .NET (most applications can be migrated by a recompile using VCL for .NET)." http://community.borland.com/article/0,1410,32063,00.html He forgot to mention how easily they've alowed their half-dozen C++Builder developer to migrate their apps to the trash bin. Excuse me, time for my Prozac. -- Ken http://planeta.terra.com.br/educacao/kencamargo/ * this is not a sig * Back to top Chris Harvey Guest Posted: Wed May 05, 2004 12:17 am    Post subject: Re: Depressing... Personally I prefer a nice single malt scotch. "Kenneth de Camargo" <INVERT:rb.moc.arret@jcrk> wrote Quote: Excuse me, time for my Prozac. Back to top Kenneth de Camargo Guest Posted: Wed May 05, 2004 12:19 am    Post subject: Re: Depressing... Chris Harvey wrote: Quote: Personally I prefer a nice single malt scotch. Cheers! -- Ken http://planeta.terra.com.br/educacao/kencamargo/ * this is not a sig * Back to top Andrue Cope Guest Posted: Wed May 05, 2004 8:31 am    Post subject: Re: Depressing... On 4 May 2004 12:58:56 -0700, Kenneth de Camargo wrote: Quote: Just took a quick look at Borland Developer Network's homepage. There are 44 entries in roughly 2 months (between Feb 24th - Apr 29th), and exactly *1* reference to C++, just to mention that the mobile version has a common IDE with Java. Yeah it really is looking like Borland have forsaken us. I'm surprised that CBX doesn't get a mention though. It has long seemed to me that Borland didn't give a damn about VCL developers but now they can't even be bothered to push CBX? -- Andrue Cope [Bicester UK] Back to top Graham Reeds Guest Posted: Wed May 05, 2004 8:52 am    Post subject: Re: Depressing... Quote: Yeah it really is looking like Borland have forsaken us. I'm surprised that CBX doesn't get a mention though. It has long seemed to me that Borland didn't give a damn about VCL developers but now they can't even be bothered to push CBX? You're wrong. They do give a damn about VCL developers, as long as you're developing with Delphi. G. Back to top Andrue Cope Guest Posted: Wed May 05, 2004 10:30 am    Post subject: Re: Depressing... On Wed, 5 May 2004 09:52:37 +0100, Graham Reeds wrote: Quote: You're wrong. They do give a damn about VCL developers, as long as you're developing with Delphi. I stand corrected, my bad :-/ -- Andrue Cope [Bicester UK] Back to top Adam Versteegen Guest Posted: Wed May 05, 2004 11:43 am    Post subject: Re: Depressing... Andrue Cope wrote: Quote: On 4 May 2004 12:58:56 -0700, Kenneth de Camargo wrote: Just took a quick look at Borland Developer Network's homepage. There are 44 entries in roughly 2 months (between Feb 24th - Apr 29th), and exactly *1* reference to C++, just to mention that the mobile version has a common IDE with Java. Yeah it really is looking like Borland have forsaken us. I'm surprised that CBX doesn't get a mention though. It has long seemed to me that Borland didn't give a damn about VCL developers but now they can't even be bothered to push CBX? Thats because of the all new commitment to developer support etc. But yeah, I agree... -- Vesty. Back to top Mark Jacobs Guest Posted: Wed May 05, 2004 4:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Depressing... Please fix your Lua Programming Language link http://planeta.terra.com.br/educacao/kencamargo/www.lua.org It don't work -- Mark Jacobs DK Computing http://www.dkcomputing.co.uk [email]markj (AT) criticalremovethisspuriousantispamstuff (DOT) co.uk[/email] "Kenneth de Camargo" <INVERT:rb.moc.arret@jcrk> wrote Back to top Kenneth de Camargo Guest Posted: Wed May 05, 2004 4:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Depressing... Mark Jacobs wrote: Quote: Please fix your Lua Programming Language link http://planeta.terra.com.br/educacao/kencamargo/www.lua.org It don't work Eeek. The "//" after http: was missing, it's working now. -- Ken http://planeta.terra.com.br/educacao/kencamargo/ * this is not a sig * Back to top Boian Mitov Guest Posted: Wed May 05, 2004 11:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Depressing... Honestly, if you have developed such a nonsense as CBX, would you push it? I wouldn't. I would probably be looking for a rat whole to hide my face. Andrue Cope wrote: Quote: On 4 May 2004 12:58:56 -0700, Kenneth de Camargo wrote: Yeah it really is looking like Borland have forsaken us. I'm surprised that CBX doesn't get a mention though. It has long seemed to me that Borland didn't give a damn about VCL developers but now they can't even be bothered to push CBX? Back to top Adam Versteegen Guest Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 12:10 am    Post subject: Re: Depressing... Boian Mitov wrote: Quote: Honestly, if you have developed such a nonsense as CBX, would you push it? I wouldn't. I would probably be looking for a rat whole to hide my face. You'd need a pretty big rat (even if it was whole) to hide behind... -- Vesty. Back to top Boian Mitov Guest Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 3:16 am    Post subject: Re: Depressing... Sorry, can't spell... I ain't have no 'ducation ;-) Adam Versteegen wrote: Quote: Boian Mitov wrote: Honestly, if you have developed such a nonsense as CBX, would you push it? I wouldn't. I would probably be looking for a rat whole to hide my face. You'd need a pretty big rat (even if it was whole) to hide behind... Back to top Andrue Cope Guest Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 8:17 am    Post subject: Re: Depressing... On Wed, 05 May 2004 16:01:18 -0700, Boian Mitov wrote: Quote: Honestly, if you have developed such a nonsense as CBX, would you push it? I wouldn't. I would probably be looking for a rat whole to hide my face. If CBX had included VCL support /or at the very least had been confirmed as getting VCL support/ then I'd have bought it. If you discount the VCL developers CBX looks like a very good product. My complaint has never been about CBX. It started off as concern at the lack of migration path for VCL developers and then became extreme annoyance at Borland's lack of comment. -- Andrue Cope [Bicester UK] Back to top Duane Hebert Guest Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 8:35 am    Post subject: Re: Depressing... "Andrue Cope" <no.spam (AT) spammy (DOT) com> wrote Quote: On Wed, 05 May 2004 16:01:18 -0700, Boian Mitov wrote: Honestly, if you have developed such a nonsense as CBX, would you push it? I wouldn't. I would probably be looking for a rat whole to hide my face. If CBX had included VCL support /or at the very least had been confirmed as getting VCL support/ then I'd have bought it. If you discount the VCL developers CBX looks like a very good product. My complaint has never been about CBX. It started off as concern at the lack of migration path for VCL developers and then became extreme annoyance at Borland's lack of comment. I think CBX looks like it had potential but it currently has too many bugs to be usable. And with no GUI tools it seems quite expensive for an IDE. A true cross platform tool with a decent IDE and a cross platform method to generate GUI with some RAD would have some value, even with the lack of VCL, though a migration path for existing users should have been considered. A cross platform compliant compiler would be interesting as well. CBX doesn't offer any of this at this point. It seems no more than a "demo" version at this point. It's been out around 8 months with no attempt to fix the bugs. It looks like CBX2 will come out without patching CBX1. Though no one knows when or what it will include. Back to top David Erbas-White Guest Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 3:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Depressing... Duane Hebert wrote: Quote: It's been out around 8 months with no attempt to fix the bugs. It looks like CBX2 will come out without patching CBX1. Though no one knows when or what it will include. And frankly, what person in their right mind would buy a CBX2 if it has been demonstrated that the product is completely unsupported in its version 1 iteration? It's the old saw, "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me." 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