BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Development Tools          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> C++ Builder (Non-Technical) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Danzer Guest Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 3:21 pm    Post subject: Development Tools After watching the DeXter demo on BDBtv, a question occured to me. What language/developer tools do the Borland programmers use to write the DeXter IDE and compiler? Danzer Back to top Sebastian Ledesma Guest Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 3:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Development Tools Delphi :-) So... Delphi is maded in Delphi... mmm, who made Delphi? Saludos Sebastian "Danzer" <danzer (AT) REMOVEknology (DOT) net> escribió en el mensaje news:42bad38a$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: After watching the DeXter demo on BDBtv, a question occured to me. What language/developer tools do the Borland programmers use to write the DeXter IDE and compiler? Danzer Back to top Brion L. Webster Guest Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 4:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Development Tools Danzer wrote: Quote: After watching the DeXter demo on BDBtv, a question occured to me. What language/developer tools do the Borland programmers use to write the DeXter IDE and compiler? This question comes up every once in a while. Different bits of Delphi/C++Builder/DeXter are built in different languages, but nearly everything Borland ships is compiled with a Borland compiler of some sort. Whether the Delphi pascal Win32 compiler (dcc32) is written in Delphi pascal or C or C++ isn't really relevant to me, personally. The IDE has Delphi pascal Win32 code, Delphi .NET code, Java, ECMAScript, C++, and some other stuff, if I remember the last time I saw a Borlander respond to the question right. Here's a partial answer: http://blogs.borland.com/stevet/archive/2005/06/13/8441.aspx http://blogs.borland.com/stevet/archive/2005/06/15/9130.aspx FWIW, Steve Trefelthen and Allen Bauer are the two to watch for IDE information on the Borland blog list. Danny Thorpe is the best source for compiler info. They're all pretty interesting, IMHO. -Brion Back to top Lee Grissom Guest Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 4:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Development Tools Danzer wrote: Quote: What language/developer tools do the Borland programmers use to write the DeXter IDE and compiler? The IDE is written in Delphi itself, while the compiler appears to be written in C using C++Builder. Danny Thorpe would have a more accurate response. http://blogs.borland.com/stevet/archive/2005/06/13/8441.aspx http://blogs.borland.com/stevet/archive/2005/06/15/9130.aspx http://blogs.borland.com/stevet/archive/2005/06/15/9365.aspx -- Lee Back to top Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] Guest Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 4:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Development Tools Danzer wrote: Quote: After watching the DeXter demo on BDBtv, a question occured to me. What language/developer tools do the Borland programmers use to write the DeXter IDE and compiler? Delphi. http://blogs.borland.com/stevet/archive/2005/06/13/8441.aspx -- Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] http://rvelthuis.bei.t-online.de "Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome." - Isaac Asimov Back to top Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] Guest Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 4:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Development Tools Sebastian Ledesma wrote: Quote: Delphi :-) So... Delphi is maded in Delphi... mmm, who made Delphi? Delphi 1 was probably first written in assembler, Borland C and Borland Pascal, and later in Delphi. -- Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] http://rvelthuis.bei.t-online.de "Researchers have discovered that chocolate produces some of the same reactions in the brain as marijuana. The researchers also discovered other similarities between the two but can't remember what they are." -- Matt Lauer on NBC's Today Show . Back to top Sebastian Ledesma Guest Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 2:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Development Tools From Steve Trefethen blog: "In what language is the delphi compiler (dcc32) written in? I know the RTL and the IDE are written in delphi, but what about the compiler? Is it written in delphi, too? The Delphi compiler is written in C and developed using C++Builder. At least, that's what I see up on Danny's screen whenever I go into his office. Our compiler technology is also leveraged by our C++ compiler." :-) Saludos Sebastian "Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]" <velthuis (AT) gmail (DOT) com> escribió en el mensaje news:xn0e3uj4z5pcvb600mxananews (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: Sebastian Ledesma wrote: Delphi :-) So... Delphi is maded in Delphi... mmm, who made Delphi? Delphi 1 was probably first written in assembler, Borland C and Borland Pascal, and later in Delphi. -- Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] http://rvelthuis.bei.t-online.de "Researchers have discovered that chocolate produces some of the same reactions in the brain as marijuana. The researchers also discovered other similarities between the two but can't remember what they are." -- Matt Lauer on NBC's Today Show . Back to top Randall Parker Guest Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 3:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Development Tools So then the next version of the BDS is going to give Danny Thorpe an improved compiler, debugger, and IDE to improve Pascal. Well, the Delphi people ought to appreciate that. Sebastian Ledesma wrote: Quote: From Steve Trefethen blog: "In what language is the delphi compiler (dcc32) written in? I know the RTL and the IDE are written in delphi, but what about the compiler? Is it written in delphi, too? The Delphi compiler is written in C and developed using C++Builder. At least, that's what I see up on Danny's screen whenever I go into his office. Our compiler technology is also leveraged by our C++ compiler." Back to top Mark Jacobs Guest Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 10:45 am    Post subject: Re: Development Tools Sebastian Ledesma wrote: Quote: From Steve Trefethen blog: "In what language is the delphi compiler (dcc32) written in? I know the RTL and the IDE are written in delphi, but what about the compiler? Is it written in delphi, too? The Delphi compiler is written in C and developed using C++Builder. At least, that's what I see up on Danny's screen whenever I go into his office. Our compiler technology is also leveraged by our C++ compiler." OMG! They use C++ Builder to write the latest Delphi compiler. I always thought it was the other way round - they used Delphi to get C++ Builder up and running. I was wrong. C++ Builder must be the best ever product ever made on planet earth, ever. And that's *not* going to be qualified with a "IMHO" - it is *fact* !! -- Mark Jacobs http://www.dkcomputing.co.uk Back to top Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] Guest Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 11:19 am    Post subject: Re: Development Tools At 12:45:02, 01.07.2005, Mark Jacobs wrote: Quote: OMG! They use C++ Builder to write the latest Delphi compiler. I always thought it was the other way round - they used Delphi to get C++ Builder up and running. The Delphi compiler is done in C++, but the Delphi and C++Builder IDEs are in Delphi (well, most of it, AFAIK). I'd guess the C++ compiler is also in C++ or C. -- Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] http://velthuis.homepage.t-online.de "A lady came up to me on the street, pointed at my suede jacket and said, "Don't you know a cow was murdered for that jacket?" I said "I didn't know there were any witnesses. Now I'll have to kill you too"." -- George Carlin Back to top Sebastian Ledesma Guest Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 3:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Development Tools This seems to be a light at the end of the tunnel According to top request at quality central ( http://qc.borland.com/wc/qcmain.aspx?p=10 ) the Delphi Compiler for 64 bits it's 'a must' and it's already open. So if Borland want to develop a native DCC64 (not a Win32 DCC that outputs Win64 binaries) they need a CPP compiler that outputs Win64 binaries. Will they use MS compiler ? or will they develop a BCC64? So it appears that they need to develop a newer BCC32 that output Win64 binaries, after that they can compile DCC and BCC to get DCC64 and BCC64. Well, time will say... Saludos Sebastian "Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]" <velthuis (AT) gmail (DOT) com> escribió en el mensaje news:xn0e48by3yb3k004-velthuis (AT) www (DOT) teamb.com... Quote: At 12:45:02, 01.07.2005, Mark Jacobs wrote: OMG! They use C++ Builder to write the latest Delphi compiler. I always thought it was the other way round - they used Delphi to get C++ Builder up and running. The Delphi compiler is done in C++, but the Delphi and C++Builder IDEs are in Delphi (well, most of it, AFAIK). I'd guess the C++ compiler is also in C++ or C. -- Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] http://velthuis.homepage.t-online.de "A lady came up to me on the street, pointed at my suede jacket and said, "Don't you know a cow was murdered for that jacket?" I said "I didn't know there were any witnesses. Now I'll have to kill you too"." -- George Carlin Back to top Alex Bakaev [TeamB] Guest Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 4:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Development Tools Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] wrote: Quote: The Delphi compiler is done in C++ That would be C. ..a Back to top Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] Guest Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 4:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Development Tools At 18:47:50, 01.07.2005, Alex Bakaev [TeamB] wrote: Quote: Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] wrote: The Delphi compiler is done in C++ That would be C. Yes, probably correct. But Danny blogged about wanting to rewrite parts, so who knows? <g> -- Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] http://velthuis.homepage.t-online.de "He is one of those people who would be enormously improved by death." - H. H. Munro (Saki) (1870-1916) Back to top Randall Parker Guest Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 5:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Development Tools Isn't the BCB C++ debugger written in Borland C? How about the Delphi debugger? Sebastian Ledesma wrote: Quote: This seems to be a light at the end of the tunnel According to top request at quality central ( http://qc.borland.com/wc/qcmain.aspx?p=10 ) the Delphi Compiler for 64 bits it's 'a must' and it's already open. So if Borland want to develop a native DCC64 (not a Win32 DCC that outputs Win64 binaries) they need a CPP compiler that outputs Win64 binaries. Will they use MS compiler ? or will they develop a BCC64? So it appears that they need to develop a newer BCC32 that output Win64 binaries, after that they can compile DCC and BCC to get DCC64 and BCC64. Well, time will say... 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