BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Differences between BCB6 and TC++ Goto page 1, 2, 3  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> C++ Builder (Non-Technical) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Luigi Guest Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 8:10 am    Post subject: Differences between BCB6 and TC++ What are the benefits of TC++ over BCB6? Should I switch to TC++? What is the Is the TC++ compiler/debugger/linker better than BCB6 one? I'm not using VCL very much, so also migrating to VC++ should not be a pain. What do you suggest? Thank you in advance, Luigi Back to top Remy Lebeau (TeamB) Guest Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Differences between BCB6 and TC++ "Luigi " <a (AT) b (DOT) c> wrote in message news:453484c2$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: What are the benefits of TC++ over BCB6? A new IDE. A new compiler. A new VCL. Just to name a few. Quote: Should I switch to TC++? That is up to you. Gambit Back to top pbk++ Guest Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 3:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Differences between BCB6 and TC++ Luigi napisa³(a): Quote: What are the benefits of TC++ over BCB6? Should I switch to TC++? What is the Is the TC++ compiler/debugger/linker better than BCB6 one? I'm not using VCL very much, so also migrating to VC++ should not be a pain. What do you suggest? Migrate to VC++. You will get a real C++ compliance and on board access to all new technology introduced by Microsoft. More important difference is that VC++ supports boost library, bcb2k6 not, and there are plans to abandon boost support for borland compiler. -- Peter Back to top Pete Fraser Guest Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 3:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Differences between BCB6 and TC++ That's not completely true. There are plans to abandon boost support for BCB6 *after* the next release. BCB2006 will still be supported. Plus developing Win32 apps under VC++ is a nightmare. Rgds Pete "pbk++" <jbond007 (AT) free (DOT) polbox.pl> wrote in message news:45374e31$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: Luigi napisa³(a): What are the benefits of TC++ over BCB6? Should I switch to TC++? What is the Is the TC++ compiler/debugger/linker better than BCB6 one? I'm not using VCL very much, so also migrating to VC++ should not be a pain. What do you suggest? Migrate to VC++. You will get a real C++ compliance and on board access to all new technology introduced by Microsoft. More important difference is that VC++ supports boost library, bcb2k6 not, and there are plans to abandon boost support for borland compiler. Back to top Duane Hebert Guest Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 4:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Differences between BCB6 and TC++ "Pete Fraser" <pete.nospam.fraser.nospam (AT) frasersoft (DOT) nospam.net> wrote in message news:45374f84 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: Plus developing Win32 apps under VC++ is a nightmare. Not completely true either <g> It mostly depends on what you use for gui stuff. Non gui stuff is easier than BCB since the compiler is better, supports things like boost and actually optimizes code. I agree with the nightmare scenario if you use MFC and winapi though. Back to top Pete Fraser Guest Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 4:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Differences between BCB6 and TC++ OK, I guess I should have put that rider on the comment It's a long time since I developped a non-GUI app.... Pete "Duane Hebert" <spoo (AT) flarn2 (DOT) com> wrote in message news:45375c0f (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: "Pete Fraser" pete.nospam.fraser.nospam (AT) frasersoft (DOT) nospam.net> wrote in message news:45374f84 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Plus developing Win32 apps under VC++ is a nightmare. Not completely true either <g It mostly depends on what you use for gui stuff. Non gui stuff is easier than BCB since the compiler is better, supports things like boost and actually optimizes code. Back to top David Dean Guest Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 7:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Differences between BCB6 and TC++ In article <45375c0f (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com>, "Duane Hebert" <spoo (AT) flarn2 (DOT) com> wrote: and In article <45374e31$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com>, pbk++ <jbond007 (AT) free (DOT) polbox.pl> wrote: Quote: supports boost BDS 2006 supports boost as well. I have it installed and have tested a variety of the libraries. Are we using different meanings of the word "supports"? -- -David Quis custodiet custodes ipsos? Back to top Duane Hebert Guest Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 7:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Differences between BCB6 and TC++ Quote: OK, I guess I should have put that rider on the comment It's a long time since I developped a non-GUI app.... I was sort of joking, but just sort of. BCB makes developing gui stuff easy but unless they fix the other stuff, you end up losing the time you gained. (unless you do only gui stuff.) I haven't found any MS tools that are useful for gui stuff but their IDE/compiler/linker are pretty decent. Back to top Pete Fraser Guest Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 7:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Differences between BCB6 and TC++ What non-gui areas do you think you lose productivity in? The only one that I can think of is the debugger not being helpful inside templates. But then I don't use templates as much as I should Rgds Pete "Duane Hebert" <spoo (AT) flarn (DOT) com> wrote in message news:45378729$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: OK, I guess I should have put that rider on the comment It's a long time since I developped a non-GUI app.... I was sort of joking, but just sort of. BCB makes developing gui stuff easy but unless they fix the other stuff, you end up losing the time you gained. (unless you do only gui stuff.) I haven't found any MS tools that are useful for gui stuff but their IDE/compiler/linker are pretty decent. Back to top mr_organic Guest Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 8:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Differences between BCB6 and TC++ "Pete Fraser" <pete.nospam.fraser.nospam (AT) frasersoft (DOT) nospam.net> wrote in news:453788ce$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com: Quote: What non-gui areas do you think you lose productivity in? The only one that I can think of is the debugger not being helpful inside templates. But then I don't use templates as much as I should Rgds Pete COM/ATL support is pretty lousy -- the headers are both buggy and out-of- date, and the IDE itself has almost non-existent support for writing COM/ATL objects in C++. The IDE is also pretty bad at debugging heavily-threaded non-visual apps, but this issue has been thrashed out pretty thoroughly both here and elsewhere. Also, not being able to do background builds is a PITA for large projects (although the make tool is at least functional now). Finally, the IDE is almost bereft of non-visual "helpers" that used to be present in Class Exporer (New Method, New Property, etc.). If the only C++ work you do in BDS 2006 is VCL GUI stuff, BDS 2006 works okay. But if you do any other kind of C++ work (i.e., the bulk of C++ work nowadays), it's barely adequate. mr_organic Back to top Pete Fraser Guest Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 8:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Differences between BCB6 and TC++ OK, I see why I haven't noticed the problems, I don't do COM/ATL I did notice the threading problems in BCB6 but haven't ported that app to BDS2006 so haven't noticed that ....yet. I never did use the ClassExplorer stuff as it took BCB6 down too often so I uninstalled it Backgroundbuilds would be nice but it always locked the source file I was working on when compiling it so again I turned it off. Hopefully these will return in the future.... Rgds Pete "mr_organic" <mr_organic (AT) yourmamashouse (DOT) com> wrote in message news:4537930f$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: "Pete Fraser" pete.nospam.fraser.nospam (AT) frasersoft (DOT) nospam.net> wrote in news:453788ce$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com: What non-gui areas do you think you lose productivity in? The only one that I can think of is the debugger not being helpful inside templates. But then I don't use templates as much as I should Rgds Pete COM/ATL support is pretty lousy -- the headers are both buggy and out-of- date, and the IDE itself has almost non-existent support for writing COM/ATL objects in C++. The IDE is also pretty bad at debugging heavily-threaded non-visual apps, but this issue has been thrashed out pretty thoroughly both here and elsewhere. Also, not being able to do background builds is a PITA for large projects (although the make tool is at least functional now). Finally, the IDE is almost bereft of non-visual "helpers" that used to be present in Class Exporer (New Method, New Property, etc.). If the only C++ work you do in BDS 2006 is VCL GUI stuff, BDS 2006 works okay. But if you do any other kind of C++ work (i.e., the bulk of C++ work nowadays), it's barely adequate. mr_organic Back to top Duane Hebert Guest Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 9:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Differences between BCB6 and TC++ "Pete Fraser" <pete.nospam.fraser.nospam (AT) frasersoft (DOT) nospam.net> wrote in message news:453788ce$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: What non-gui areas do you think you lose productivity in? The only one that I can think of is the debugger not being helpful inside templates. But then I don't use templates as much as I should Rgds Pete Most of this is pertaining to BCB as I've only been playing around with BDS a bit. Though since it's still basically the same compiler with a different set of std libs... The optimizer is so bad that you have to do some work-arounds in many cases when a typically standard approach doesn't work. See the threads in cppbuilder.language.cpp. The dinkumware libs, while probably the best std lib around, seem to rely heavily on some optimizations that Borland's compiler doesn't do. Problems with templates (at least in BCB6 - haven't tested much in BDS) The debugger. Though this seems somewhat better in BDS. Last time I tried with the current version of boost, there were problems with some of the libs (spirit and threads IIRC). With BCB we stuck with an older version of boost. For us, the lack of compliance in the compiler is a problem as well since we do cross platform stuff. Our code ports between MSVC and g++ pretty much without problems. Not so easily with BCB. Again, this may be different with BDS. Not supporting utf8/unicode is also a problem for us. As I say, I'm only even repsonding here since the latest roadmaps didn't seem to address the compiler at all. Improving the IDE is a good thing but not the only thing. Back to top pbk++ Guest Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 12:53 am    Post subject: Re: Differences between BCB6 and TC++ David Dean napisa³(a): Quote: In article <45375c0f (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com>, "Duane Hebert" <spoo (AT) flarn2 (DOT) com> wrote: and In article <45374e31$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com>, pbk++ <jbond007 (AT) free (DOT) polbox.pl> wrote: supports boost BDS 2006 supports boost as well. I have it installed and have tested a variety of the libraries. BCB supports only part of boost libraries due its ignorance of standard. For details see boost regression tests ( http://www.boost.org/more/regression.html ). Quote: Are we using different meanings of the word "supports"? OK, I see that You are one of thinking that one can be partially pregnant. I don't. -- Peter Back to top David Dean Guest Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 1:07 am    Post subject: Re: Differences between BCB6 and TC++ In article <4537d7a2 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com>, pbk++ <ns (AT) purgosoft (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: OK, I see that You are one of thinking that one can be partially pregnant. I don't. Gcc and intel don't pass 100% either. I wouldn't be surprised if VC has shortcomings as well. The web site isn't working now to give exact numbers or check other compilers. -- -David Quis custodiet custodes ipsos? Back to top Duane Hebert Guest Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 1:40 am    Post subject: Re: Differences between BCB6 and TC++ "David Dean" <ozchzhq02 (AT) sneakemail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:ozchzhq02-D116E5.16071019102006 (AT) frylock (DOT) local... Quote: In article <4537d7a2 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com>, pbk++ <ns (AT) purgosoft (DOT) com wrote: OK, I see that You are one of thinking that one can be partially pregnant. I don't. Gcc and intel don't pass 100% either. I wouldn't be surprised if VC has shortcomings as well. The web site isn't working now to give exact numbers or check other compilers. 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