BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Do you hate Norton as much as I do? Goto page 1, 2  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> C++ Builder (Non-Technical) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Danila Vershinin Guest Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 7:19 pm    Post subject: Do you hate Norton as much as I do? It has already happened once that I said to myself : "I should never use Norton Antivirus again" ... This annoyance has started right from the moment when I had *license expried* dialog box which appeared just because I have disabled one of NAV's startup registry entries. Then I went through the process of restoring everything. Deletion of one single registry entry caused NAV completely stop functioning. What kind of protection is that? Lately I have discovered a more, absolutely amazing thing with NAV. It does protect my computer, can you bellieve it?, but one can never really imagine which way it does that... Have you ever heard of its ScriptBlocking Engine. It takes script protection to an absolutely new, higher (but I fear, lower actually) level of protection... by *disabling all script activity* even after the program a) have the Enable Script Blocking option disabled b) removed from computer. :( P.S. I know I should have listened to the guys telling me to use AVG Now that I am finished with Norton, I am trying to fix what it has done to script engines, can anyone send me the exported regkey: HKEY_CLASSES_ROOTCLSID{72C24DD5-D70A-438B-8A42-98424B88AFB8} ? Thanks in advance. Back to top Randall Parker Guest Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 7:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Do you hate Norton as much as I do? I've had a fairly painless experience with Trend Micro's PC-Cillin fwiw. Danila Vershinin wrote: Quote: It has already happened once that I said to myself : "I should never use Norton Antivirus again" ... This annoyance has started right from the moment when I had *license expried* dialog box which appeared just because I have disabled one of NAV's startup registry entries. .... .. Quote: P.S. I know I should have listened to the guys telling me to use AVG Back to top Vladimir Stefanovic Guest Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 7:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Do you hate Norton as much as I do? Quote: It has already happened once that I said to myself : "I should never use Norton Antivirus again" ... I'm happy user of Free AVG. I use only "Norton Ghost" of Norton products which generates a hard-copy of disk partition (for example). That I need as system backup in case of emergency. -- Best regards, Vladimir Stefanovic Back to top Ingvar Anderberg Guest Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 7:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Do you hate Norton as much as I do? "Danila Vershinin" <cia (AT) pnz (DOT) ru> skrev i meddelandet news:4335a663 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: can anyone send me the exported regkey: HKEY_CLASSES_ROOTCLSID{72C24DD5-D70A-438B-8A42-98424B88AFB8} ? Thanks in advance. done Back to top Danila Vershinin Guest Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 7:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Do you hate Norton as much as I do? "Ingvar Anderberg" <whatever (AT) foundit (DOT) com> wrote Quote: done Thanks, thanks, thanks!!! It did work, I restored my scripting functionality completely! I would never be able to do that without you, and ..Regmon program :) Back to top Ed Mulroy Guest Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 10:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Do you hate Norton as much as I do? Note that this is all hearsay as I gave up on Norton Utilities when version 4 messed up my disk. My friend told me that if you call them they will tell you the password, algorithm or whatever it is which allows it to be removed from the machine. I leave the issue to you of how one calls them from the area where the pnz.ru domain is local without incurring large phone charges. .. Ed Quote: Danila Vershinin wrote in message news:4335a663 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Back to top Andrue Cope [TeamB] Guest Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 8:34 am    Post subject: Re: Do you hate Norton as much as I do? Norton AV slows things down badly. I've seen it on several machines. It doesn't just slow down I/O either. Even web browsing is affected. McAffee (what we use at work) only seems to impact I/O but still hits you for around 15%. For a while I ran with the on-Access disabled to improve compile times but sadly our IT department have stopped that by rolling out security policy software :( At home I use CA (still, somehow on the free trial on three machines <g>) and although I can't comment on any I/O hit because I only play games and browse the web it seems fine. The one thing I like about it is that it's unobtrusive. I used the McAffee home offering a couple of years ago and everytime it updated its drivers it used to popup a modal balloon dialog to say so. This used to yank me back to the desktop when I was playing a game full-screen and it drove me mad. I could see no point in such an intrusive dialog box since all I as a user could do was click [Ok]. It put me in mind of a little kid constantly seeking attention and asking for praise. I mentioned this to their tech. support and they said that most users seemed to like it! -- Andrue Cope [TeamB] [Bicester, Uk] http://info.borland.com/newsgroups/guide.html Back to top Andrue Cope [TeamB] Guest Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 8:39 am    Post subject: Re: Do you hate Norton as much as I do? Ed Mulroy wrote: Quote: Note that this is all hearsay as I gave up on Norton Utilities when version 4 messed up my disk. Automated data recovery software is like DiY brain surgery. When it works it can save you a lot of time and money. When it doesn't work it's not so clever :) We see a lot fewer problems with NTFS now. Something about its design seems to mean that utilities don't get as confused as they used to. With FATx d/r tools like Norton were a significant cause of no-fixes. Norton for Macintosh can still do some truly bizarre things. Given the complexity of that file system it sometimes beggars belief what conclusions Norton can come to. I can only assume that whoever wrote it was /not/ experienced in the field. They seem not to have the requisite paranoia and distrust in their data. Rule #1 for writing d/r software:If it looks odd it is probably wrong. Rule #2:If it looks good it's probably also wrong :) -- Andrue Cope [TeamB] [Bicester, Uk] http://info.borland.com/newsgroups/guide.html Back to top Danila Vershinin Guest Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 4:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Do you hate Norton as much as I do? "Andrue Cope [TeamB]" <no.spam (AT) not (DOT) a.valid.address> wrote Quote: Norton AV slows things down badly. I've seen it on several machines. It doesn't just slow down I/O either. Even web browsing is affected. Yep, it does slow down web browsing. If one marks an option (name I don't remember exactly) to show auto-protect service messages, you can see messages like "<program name> is waiting for a scan of <filename>. All the messages I have seen while surfing was "iexplorer is waiting for <somefile>.." So I had the impression (and I think a true one) that Norton AV prevents the program accessing a scanned file from using it and thus slowing down program's perfomance. Other AV program don't prevent, they only track which files are used but they don't have this "you can't access the file until I scan it" behavior relating to real time scanning. They don't first prevent programs from using the file, they only scan files being used. That's what I think makes NAV slow down things (in comparison to other programs). But at the sime time (in this aspect only) Norton AV seems to provide more security in comparison to other AV programs. Quote: The one thing I like about it is that it's unobtrusive. I used the McAffee home offering a couple of years ago and everytime it updated its drivers it used to popup a modal balloon dialog to say so. This used to yank me back to the desktop when I was playing a game full-screen and it drove me mad. I don't use McAfee AV but I have their firewall. Guess what's the first new feature listed in the "New Features" list? <quote> a.. Improved Gaming Support Personal Firewall protects your computer from intrusion attempts and suspicious activities during full-screen gameplay, but can hide alerts if it detects intrusion attempts or suspicious activities. Red Alerts appear after you exit the game. </quote> :) Back to top Randall Parker Guest Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 4:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Do you hate Norton as much as I do? Trend Micro PC-Cillin allows you to configure whether the pop-up dialogs will interrupt you. Andrue Cope [TeamB] wrote: Quote: The one thing I like about it is that it's unobtrusive. I used the McAffee home offering a couple of years ago and everytime it updated its drivers it used to popup a modal balloon dialog to say so. This used to yank me back to the desktop when I was playing a game full-screen and it drove me mad. I could see no point in such an intrusive dialog box since all I as a user could do was click [Ok]. It put me in mind of a little kid constantly seeking attention and asking for praise. I mentioned this to their tech. support and they said that most users seemed to like it! Back to top Alex Bakaev [TeamB] Guest Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 5:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Do you hate Norton as much as I do? No, Peter has done nothing wrong to me. Back to top Ingvar Anderberg Guest Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 6:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Do you hate Norton as much as I do? "Alex Bakaev [TeamB]" <zxtt (AT) att (DOT) net> skrev Quote: No, Peter has done nothing wrong to me. He shouldn't lend his name to such lousy program though <g> Back to top Alex Bakaev [TeamB] Guest Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 6:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Do you hate Norton as much as I do? Ingvar Anderberg wrote: Quote: He shouldn't lend his name to such lousy program though I think it's out of his hands for a long time now... It's almost like Xerox - public domain :) ..a Back to top Ingvar Anderberg Guest Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 7:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Do you hate Norton as much as I do? "Alex Bakaev [TeamB]" <zxtt (AT) att (DOT) net> skrev i meddelandet news:43383f97$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: Ingvar Anderberg wrote: He shouldn't lend his name to such lousy program though I think it's out of his hands for a long time now... It's almost like Xerox - public domain :) .a or at least Symatec domain, .... he once taught me to write assembler... :-) Back to top Alex Bakaev [TeamB] Guest Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 8:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Do you hate Norton as much as I do? Ingvar Anderberg wrote: Quote: or at least Symatec domain, ... he once taught me to write assembler... :-) I used his writing to hone some of my skills too :) Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> C++ Builder (Non-Technical) All times are GMT Goto page 1, 2  Next Page 1 of 2   Jump to: Select a forum C++ Builder Newsgroups----------------C++ BuilderC++ Builder (ActiveX)C++ Builder (Announcements)C++ Builder (Command Line Tools)C++ Builder DatabasesC++ Builder Databases (ADO)C++ Builder Databases (Desktop)C++ Builder Databases (InterBase Express)C++ Builder Databases (Multi-Tier)C++ Builder Databases (SQL Servers)C++ Builder (Graphics)C++ Builder (IDE)C++ Builder (Internet)C++ Builder (Internet Socket)C++ Builder (Internet Web)C++ Builder (Jobs)C++ Builder (Language)C++ Builder (Language C++)C++ Builder (Compatibility with MFC)C++ Builder (Native API)C++ Builder (Non-Technical)C++ Builder (Students)C++ Builder (Third Party Tools)C++ Builder (Upgrade)C++ Builder (VCL)C++ Builder (VCL Components Usage)C++ Builder (VCL Components Development)C++ Builder (VCL Usage)C++ Builder (WinAPI)C++ Builder Installation Delphi Newsgroups----------------Delphi (General)Delphi ActiveX Controls UsageDelphi ActiveX Controls DevelopmentDelphi As400Delphi DatabasesDelphi Databases (ADO)Delphi Databases (dbExpress)Delphi Databases (Desktop)Delphi Databases (InterBase Express)Delphi Databases (Multi-Tier)Delphi Databases (SQL Servers)Delphi DeploymentDelphi GraphicsDelphi IDEDelphi InternationalizationDelphi InternetDelphi Internet Isapi-WebBrokerDelphi Internet WebSnapDelphi Internet WinsockDelphi JobsDelphi Language BASMDelphi Language ObjectPascalDelphi Model Driven Architecture (General)Delphi Model Driven Architecture (Third Party)Delphi MultimediaDelphi Native APIDelphi Non-TechnicalDelphi ObjectPascalDelphi OLE AutomationDelphi OO designDelphi OpenToolsAPIDelphi Reporting-ChartingDelphi RTLDelphi StudentsDelphi TeamSourceDelphi Thirdparty ToolsDelphi Thirdparty Tools (General)Delphi Thirdparty Tools (IntraWeb)Delphi Thirdparty Tools (RaveReports)Delphi UpgradeDelphi VCLDelphi VCL ComponentsDelphi VCL Components UsingDelphi VCL Components WritingDelphi WebServices SOAPDelphi WinAPIDelphi XMLDelphi Installationcomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.misccomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.usagecomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.writingcomp.lang.pascal.delphi.databasescomp.lang.pascal.delphi.misccomp.sources.delphi JBuilder Newsgroups----------------JBuilderJBuilder AnnouncementsJBuilder Applet IssuesJBuilder As400JBuilder CompilerJBuilder CORBA/RMIJBuilder DatabasesJBuilder DB SwingJBuilder DebuggerJBuilder DeploymentJBuilder DocumentationJBuilder EnterpriseJBuilder HandheldJBuilder IDEJBuilder JavaJBuilder JavaAPIJBuilder Java LanguageJBuilder Java SwingJBuilder Java BeansJBuilder Java Beans UsageJBuilder Java Beans DevelopmentJBuilder JBCLJBuilder JDataStoreJBuilder JobsJBuilder LinuxJBuilder MacintoshJBuilder & MobileSetJBuilder MultiLingual AppsJBuilder Non-TechnicalJBuilder OpenToolsJBuilder Servlets (JSP)JBuilder StudentsJBuilder Team DevelopmentJBuilder Thirdparty ToolsJBuilder UpgradeJBuilder Installation InterBase Newsgroups----------------InterBaseInterBase Bug DiscussionInterBase GeneralInterBase IBConsoleInterBase OpenSourceInterBase ReplicationInterBase SQLInterBase ThirdpartyInterBase Installation Miscellaneous Borland Newsgroups----------------AppCenterAppServerEnteraVisiBroker  You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2006 phpBB Group SEO toolkit © 2004-2006 webmedic.