BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Doug McFarlane Goto page 1, 2  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> C++ Builder (Non-Technical) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Rhys Sage Guest Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2003 2:06 am    Post subject: Doug McFarlane Is anybody else getting spammed to death by this turkey? Always advertising computer positions that do not relate in any way to anybody's resumés. Back to top Adam Versteegen Guest Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2003 1:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Doug McFarlane Rhys Sage wrote: Quote: Is anybody else getting spammed to death by this turkey? Always advertising computer positions that do not relate in any way to anybody's resumés. No. Back to top Stephan Guest Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2003 1:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Doug McFarlane make a message rule that forwards his email back to him, along with all your other spam. <g> "Rhys Sage" <abuse (AT) 127 (DOT) 0.0.1> wrote Is anybody else getting spammed to death by this turkey? Always advertising computer positions that do not relate in any way to anybody's resumés. Back to top Bob Swart Guest Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2003 1:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Doug McFarlane Hi Stephan, Quote: make a message rule that forwards his email back to him, along with all your other spam. That might only "validate" your e-mail address, making you receptive to even more spam... Groetjes, Bob Swart (aka Dr.Bob - www.DrBob42.com) -- Bob Swart Training & Consultancy (eBob42) Borland Technology Partner webmaster UK Borland User Group (BUG) & DotNet Developers Group (DDG) Back to top Stephan Guest Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2003 2:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Doug McFarlane Hi, I've heard that doing an "auto reply" to incoming mail would cause many spam engines to drop your address, essentially fooling them into thinking that they are emailing an invalid address and getting a response from the mail server. Of course, I haven't tried this and don't know if it works. "Bob Swart" <b.swart (AT) chello (DOT) nl> wrote Hi Stephan, Quote: make a message rule that forwards his email back to him, along with all your other spam. That might only "validate" your e-mail address, making you receptive to even more spam... Groetjes, Bob Swart (aka Dr.Bob - www.DrBob42.com) -- Bob Swart Training & Consultancy (eBob42) Borland Technology Partner webmaster UK Borland User Group (BUG) & DotNet Developers Group (DDG) Back to top Chris Uzdavinis (TeamB) Guest Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2003 3:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Doug McFarlane "Stephan" <sREMOVETHISlaska (AT) devarTHISTOOinc (DOT) com> writes: Quote: make a message rule that forwards his email back to him, along with all your other spam. Also, spammers oftentimes "steal" someone else's email id, so this is almost certainly an innocent bystander. Can you imagine any real spammer giving out their email address? I'm sure that this person is getting inundated with bounced messages that were sent in his name, but he probably is more a victim than any recipient of the spam. -- Chris (TeamB); Back to top Chris Uzdavinis (TeamB) Guest Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2003 3:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Doug McFarlane "Stephan" <sREMOVETHISlaska (AT) devarTHISTOOinc (DOT) com> writes: Quote: Hi, I've heard that doing an "auto reply" to incoming mail would cause many spam engines to drop your address, essentially fooling them into thinking that they are emailing an invalid address and getting a response from the mail server. Of course, I haven't tried this and don't know if it works. An auto reply won't work, it is validation that the email *works*. You'd have to have the mail server reject the mail to spoof an invalid address, but the mail server would have to somehow recognize that it's spam. Besides, most spammers don't have any valid return addresses, so bouncing spam does nothing to stop the problem, but does use internet resources. -- Chris (TeamB); Back to top Stephan Guest Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2003 3:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Doug McFarlane Couldn't one look at the email internal links to see if the reply address looks valid? such as a reply address of [email]myname (AT) mycompany (DOT) com[/email] and an internal link in the email of www.mycompany.com/sayhi.html "Chris Uzdavinis (TeamB)" <chris (AT) uzdavinis (DOT) com> wrote "Stephan" <sREMOVETHISlaska (AT) devarTHISTOOinc (DOT) com> writes: Quote: make a message rule that forwards his email back to him, along with all your other spam. spammers oftentimes "steal" someone else's email id Can you imagine any real spammer giving out their email address? -- Chris (TeamB); Back to top Stephan Guest Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2003 3:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Doug McFarlane I guess there's no point in trying it then. "Chris Uzdavinis (TeamB)" <chris (AT) uzdavinis (DOT) com> wrote "Stephan" <sREMOVETHISlaska (AT) devarTHISTOOinc (DOT) com> writes: Quote: Of course, I haven't tried this and don't know if it works. You'd have to have the mail server reject the mail to spoof an invalid address -- Chris (TeamB); Back to top Rhys Sage Guest Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2003 4:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Doug McFarlane The best I've come up with so far is to send the junk back via SpamCop. The only realistic method of stopping spam would have to be done on a source by source basis. If email users were to contribute say a dollar a day then sufficient funds would build up to enable the permanant retention of a set of roadworkers who could inadvertantly cut through the spammer's power, gas, water and phone connections on a daily basis. Personally, I'd be more inclined to hire a baseball team to teach the spammer some manners - lol. Rhys Back to top Mike Mormando Guest Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2003 4:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Doug McFarlane "Chris Uzdavinis (TeamB)" <chris (AT) uzdavinis (DOT) com> wrote Quote: An auto reply won't work, it is validation that the email *works*. You'd have to have the mail server reject the mail to spoof an invalid address, but the mail server would have to somehow recognize that it's spam. Besides, most spammers don't have any valid return addresses, so bouncing spam does nothing to stop the problem, but does use internet resources. This is the way MailWasher works and it does a pretty good job. I'd say that probably 25% of the email addresses I get are rejected as invalid when it sends the invalid address message back. Mike Back to top Rhys Sage Guest Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2003 4:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Doug McFarlane I get a bit narked by bouncebacks. I get a few fake bouncebacks and bouncebacks from spam that people send using my email address as the alleged sender. My Yahoo account was chock full of bouncebacks one day. Rhys "Mike Mormando" <mike (AT) nomormandospam (DOT) com> wrote Quote: This is the way MailWasher works and it does a pretty good job. I'd say that probably 25% of the email addresses I get are rejected as invalid when it sends the invalid address message back. Mike Back to top Alan Bellingham Guest Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2003 6:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Doug McFarlane "Mike Mormando" <mike (AT) nomormandospam (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: This is the way MailWasher works and it does a pretty good job. I'd say that probably 25% of the email addresses I get are rejected as invalid when it sends the invalid address message back. Which probably means that almost all of the other 75% are valid addresses. But given that they're spam, how many of those do you think are the spammers' addresses? I'd guess, almost none. In other words, for every 100 spams that reach you, you're sending out maybe 70 yourself. Alan Bellingham -- Team Mongolian Wok <url:http://www.borland.com/newsgroups/> Borland newsgroup descriptions <url:http://www.borland.com/newsgroups/netiquette.html> netiquette Back to top Rhys Sage Guest Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2003 2:23 am    Post subject: Re: Doug McFarlane Well, NTL seems to be the source of the spam. I fired off two spam reports via spamcop - one from one spammed account and one from another. 24 hours later, he's spamming again from NTL again. I fired off another spamcop report. Obviously, if this does not work then NTL is either not reading spamcop reports or is in the spammers' pockets. Back to top Graham Reeds Guest Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2003 2:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Doug McFarlane Quote: I get a bit narked by bouncebacks. I get a few fake bouncebacks and bouncebacks from spam that people send using my email address as the alleged sender. My Yahoo account was chock full of bouncebacks one day. Say a spammer faked an address at btinternet.com and sent it to a recipient at [email]nameREMOVE (AT) yahoo (DOT) com[/email]. Yahoo would return the mail to btinternet saying that the address doesn't exist. Since the address at btinternet never existed, btinternet then would bounce the email back to yahoo.com, ad infinitum? Would it? G. 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