BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Estimated number of developers? Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Zarko Gajic Guest Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2003 6:28 am    Post subject: Estimated number of developers? Hi, where can I get the estimated number of developers per dev. tool. Something like: There are : xxx Delphi developers, yyy VB zzz VB.NET xzy Java qwe C# etc... Zarko Back to top Alessandro Federici - Rem Guest Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2003 6:53 am    Post subject: Re: Estimated number of developers? "Zarko Gajic" <ssppaamm.delphi.guide (AT) about (DOT) com> wrote Quote: yyy VB Too many? <G> Back to top Jax Santiago Guest Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2003 8:54 am    Post subject: Re: Estimated number of developers? "Alessandro Federici - RemObjects Software" <alef@[nospam]remobjects.com> wrote in message news:3f373d74$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: Too many? You mean the monkeys??? Jax Back to top Samuel Herzog Guest Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2003 12:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Estimated number of developers? I am looking for an little application that searchs the harddisks and determs the compiler used to build the exe-files. Output would be a list or a pie chart. For me its not so interesting how many programmers are using which programming languages. Its more interesting which programming languages were used to build successfull applications. Sam "Zarko Gajic" <ssppaamm.delphi.guide (AT) about (DOT) com> wrote Quote: Hi, where can I get the estimated number of developers per dev. tool. Something like: There are : xxx Delphi developers, yyy VB zzz VB.NET xzy Java qwe C# etc... Zarko Back to top Sierra Spartacus Guest Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2003 12:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Estimated number of developers? "Zarko Gajic" <ssppaamm.delphi.guide (AT) about (DOT) com> wrote Quote: Hi, where can I get the estimated number of developers per dev. tool. Something like: There are : xxx Delphi developers, yyy VB zzz VB.NET xzy Java qwe C# etc... Don't know the numbers, but as far back as '97/Delphi 3 it was said there were 1,000,000 Delphi users. It has also been stated that every version of Delphi outsells the previous version. Some numbers from the newsgroups (as of yesterday (August 10, 2003)): Note: the first set of statistics are from tamaracka/fulltextsearch, which includes in its Borland search third party newsgroups. DELPHI On Borland's newsgroups, "Delphi" is referred to 786,658 times. On Microsoft's newsgroups, "Delphi" is referred to 4,602 times. Total for Delphi: 791,260 VISUAL BASIC On Borland's newsgroups, "Visual Basic" is referred to 12,195 times. On Microsoft's newsgroups, "Visual Basic" is referred to 45,930 times. Total for Visual Basic: 58,125 JAVA On Borland's newsgroups, "Java" is referred to 118,933 times. On Microsoft's newsgroups, "Java" is referred to 36,469 times. Total for Java: 155,402 (keep in mind Java is not just a language, but also a platform) C++ On Borland's newsgroups, "C++" is referred to 430,346 times. On Microsoft's newsgroups, "C++" is referred to 386,992 times. Total for C++: 817,338 PERL On Borland's newsgroups, "Perl" is referred to 9,911 times. On Microsoft's newsgroups, "Perl" is referred to 3,529 times. Total for Perl: 13,440 PYTHON On Borland's newsgroups, "Python" is referred to 2,568 times. On Microsoft's newsgroups, "Python" is referred to 525 times. Total for Python: 3,093 SMALLTALK On Borland's newsgroups, "Smalltalk" is referred to 1,683 times. On Microsoft's newsgroups, "Smalltalk" is referred to 300 times. Total for Smalltalk: 1,983 COBOL On Borland's newsgroups, "COBOL" is referred to 3,015 times. On Microsoft's newsgroups, "COBOL" is referred to 865 times. Total for COBOL: 3,880 FORTRAN On Borland's newsgroups, "Fortran" is referred to 2,658 times. On Microsoft's newsgroups, "Fortran" is referred to 795 times. Total for Fortran: 3,453 XML On Borland's newsgroups, "XML" is referred to 26,382 times. On Microsoft's newsgroups, "XML" is referred to 54,686 times. Total for XML: 81,068 Of the languages above, when combining Borland- and Microsoft sponsored newsgroups, the languages most often referred to are, in order: 1. C++: 817,338 2. Delphi: 791,260 3. Java: 155,402 (both a language and a platform) 4. XML: 81,068 5. Visual Basic: 58,125 6. Perl: 13,440 7. COBOL: 3,880 8. Fortran: 3,453 9. Python: 3,093 10. Smalltalk:1,983 In the case of a google newsgroup search (not limited to just Borland and Microsoft's newsgroups), the rankings are as follows: 1. C++: 8,180,000 2. Java: 7,490,000 (some of these may be referring to coffee) 3. Delphi: 4,360,000 (some may be referring to the Delphi Internet service, etc. See #7) 4. Perl: 3,550,000 5. Visual Basic: 2,190,000 6. COBOL: 1,870,000 7. Borland Delphi: 1,690,000 8. XML: 1,320,000 9. Python: 1,170,000 (some of these may be referring to a snake) 10. Fortran: 752,000 11. Smalltalk: 511,000 12. C#: 412,000 -- Clay Shannon, author of "the Wacky Misadventures of Warble McGorkle" Download it at http://tinyurl.com/cent Back to top Brian Moelk Guest Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2003 12:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Estimated number of developers? Quote: Hi, where can I get the estimated number of developers per dev. tool. Currently, there are approximately 10,000,000 Developers worldwide in 2002: 1,000,000 Borland Users 2,000,000 Java Developers 2,000,000 C/C++ Developers 5,000,000 Visual Basic Developers (some will now migrate to .NET, Delphi or Java) Source: Personal Delphi Agents 2002. From: http://www.personaldelphiagents.com/delphi_stats.html -- Brian Moelk [email]bmoelk (AT) NObrainendeavorSPAM (DOT) FORc[/email]omME http://www.brainendeavor.com Back to top Steve Troxell Guest Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2003 2:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Estimated number of developers? Brian Moelk wrote: Quote: Hi, where can I get the estimated number of developers per dev. tool. Currently, there are approximately 10,000,000 Developers worldwide in 2002: 1,000,000 Borland Users 2,000,000 Java Developers 2,000,000 C/C++ Developers 5,000,000 Visual Basic Developers (some will now migrate to .NET, Delphi or Java) So do JBuilder developers fall under "Borland Users" or "Java Developers"? Are C++Builder developers "Borland Users" or "C/C++ Developers"? How do 1,000,000 Borland users divide up into Delphi, or JBuilder or C++Builder developers? I suspect the number includes all three and I further suspect that Delphi is less than 1/3 of the total. -- Steve Troxell Krell Software - Database Tools for MS SQL Server http://www.krell-software.com Back to top jp magne Guest Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2003 3:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Estimated number of developers? but THE FIRST THING TO KNOW IS: WHAT, WHO IS A DEVELOPPER ? If you buy the tools are you a developper ? I have a lot of tools but i don't use all....(example: i have DELPHI C++ and MS C++, can you say which one i use, ......if i use one ! What i do with ? ............ jpm Back to top Brian Moelk Guest Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2003 3:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Estimated number of developers? Quote: Source: Personal Delphi Agents 2002. From: http://www.personaldelphiagents.com/delphi_stats.html Since there are a bunch of questions regarding this data, let me say that I don't know what the data actually means, I just posted it. Statistics are statistics. <g> I suggest that you ask the source of the information or purchase something like Evans Data if you want a more accurate count (I have not purchased the data and don't think you could share it if you did purchase it anyway). -- Brian Moelk [email]bmoelk (AT) NObrainendeavorSPAM (DOT) FORc[/email]omME http://www.brainendeavor.com Back to top pnichols Guest Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2003 4:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Estimated number of developers? Harry Van Tassell wrote: Quote: Brian Moelk wrote: Hi, where can I get the estimated number of developers per dev. tool. Currently, there are approximately 10,000,000 Developers worldwide in 2002: 1,000,000 Borland Users 2,000,000 Java Developers 2,000,000 C/C++ Developers 5,000,000 Visual Basic Developers (some will now migrate to .NET, Delphi or Java) Source: Personal Delphi Agents 2002. From: http://www.personaldelphiagents.com/delphi_stats.html Just for the fun of it you should read this... August 7, 2003 - "Microsoft says .NET usage passes Java" http://www.infoworld.com/cgi-bin/redirect?source=rss&url=http://www.infoworl d.com/article/03/08/07/HNMicrorudder_1.html --Hairy In MS dreams <G>. All survey data (including Borland's own internal data) show Java use in the Enterprise to be at 70%. NET is no where near this number. Of course this is per Enterprises, and not small mom and pop shops, nor independent developers. Back to top John Kaster (Borland) Guest Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2003 9:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Estimated number of developers? Brian Moelk wrote: Quote: Currently, there are approximately 10,000,000 Developers worldwide in 2002: 1,000,000 Borland Users 2,000,000 Java Developers have to count a good portion of java users as Borland users, as well. Quote: 2,000,000 C/C++ Developers and these. -- John Kaster, Borland Developer Relations, http://bdn.borland.com $1280/$50K: http://homepages.borland.com/jkaster/tnt/thanks.html Make a wish: http://qc.borland.com * Get source http://codecentral.borland.com Back to top Lauchlan M Guest Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2003 11:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Estimated number of developers? Quote: I am looking for an little application that searchs the harddisks and determs the compiler used to build the exe-files. Output would be a list or a pie chart. For me its not so interesting how many programmers are using which programming languages. Its more interesting which programming languages were used to build successfull applications. That would be an interesting shareware app - it would also be interesting to apply it to particular programs where you are wondering what they are made in. Also interesting would be if it could pick up and recognise 3rd party packages used by the program and databases used by the program. Please let me know by email when you have developed and are sharing this. Also another feature suggestion: you could develop some sort of web archive which lists the various programs, their versions, and what they were made with, and when your program analyses someones HD and gets results, it could then go online and update the central archive site accordingly. Lauchlan M Back to top William Meyer Guest Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2003 11:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Estimated number of developers? On 11-Aug-03, Sierra Spartacus said: Quote: Some numbers from the newsgroups (as of yesterday (August 10, 2003)): Interesting numbers. Now if I only had any notion of what, if any, valid inferences might be drawn from them.... <g> -- Bill -------- In a free society, government has the responsibility of protecting us from others, but not from ourselves. -- Walter Williams Back to top Sierra Spartacus Guest Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2003 12:02 am    Post subject: Re: Estimated number of developers? "Brian Moelk" <bmoelk (AT) NObrainendeavorSPAM (DOT) FORcomME> wrote Quote: Hi, where can I get the estimated number of developers per dev. tool. Currently, there are approximately 10,000,000 Developers worldwide in 2002: 1,000,000 Borland Users 2,000,000 Java Developers 2,000,000 C/C++ Developers 5,000,000 Visual Basic Developers (some will now migrate to .NET, Delphi or Java) I ran across the numbers above yesterday. It seems odd, though, that they claim 1 million "Borland" users. What do they mean--Delphi,JBuilder,C++Builder, etc.? If so, there are no JBuilder and C++Builder developers, as there are (reportedly) 1 million Delphi developers. It's also strange that the first number is a company, while the remaining three are languages. What gives? -- Clay Shannon, author of "the Wacky Misadventures of Warble McGorkle" Download it at http://tinyurl.com/cent Back to top David Clegg Guest Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2003 2:19 am    Post subject: Re: Estimated number of developers? "Sierra Spartacus" <theZanyTimeTravelsOfWarbleMcGorkle (AT) warble (DOT) mcgorkle> wrote in news:3f382a5c$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com: Quote: VISUAL BASIC Did that also include references to 'VB'? In Australia, no-one would use the full description for an object that has any form of standard/non-standard abbreviation <g>. -- Cheers, David Clegg dclegg_at_ebetonline_dot_com {$IFDEF Alessandro}Italian{$ELSE}French{$ENDIF} is the language of love. For everything else there's Delphi^h^h^h^h^h^h C#. 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