BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Everybody's interested, but not *that* much... Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Dave Jewell Guest Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 6:03 pm    Post subject: Everybody's interested, but not *that* much... http://tinyurl.com/ejajq I'd still put my money on a managent buy-out, if any... Dave Back to top Mark A. Andrews Guest Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 6:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Everybody's interested, but not *that* much... Dave Jewell wrote: Quote: http://tinyurl.com/ejajq I'd still put my money on a managent buy-out, if any... Dave What a great quote from this story: "It's not that the Java IDE or the Delphi IDE is bad business, it's [that] our focus is on ALM. I heard a great analogy: armies tend to fight a lot better when you *burn the bridges* behind them. And so, by getting focused on the ALM lifecycle, it gives Borland just [a] clear focus on what we need to be successful at." Emphasis added by me. So, getting rid of the development side of the house is equivalent to burning bridges... this really speaks volumes.... Mark Back to top Peter Morris [Droopy eyes Guest Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 6:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Everybody's interested, but not *that* much... Quote: I'd still put my money on a managent buy-out, if any... Me too. JK has commented on the sort of things "DevCo" wants to do with Delphi. To me this not only suggests that the buyer is known, but also that he is some how personally involved, which is a good thing in my opinion Back to top Dave Jewell Guest Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 7:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Everybody's interested, but not *that* much... "Mark A. Andrews" <KE4MA (AT) KE4MA (DOT) com> wrote in message news:44184e2d (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: So, getting rid of the development side of the house is equivalent to burning bridges... this really speaks volumes.... Good grief. I missed that when I skimmed through it earlier. As you say, it's very telling... Still, Borland's loss will hopefully be DevCo's gain... Dave Back to top Randy Magruder Guest Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 7:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Everybody's interested, but not *that* much... Craig, I wrote the editor - he defended it. I have asked permission to post his response and if he agrees I will post it. It is shocking. Randy -- Craig Stuntz [TeamB] wrote: Quote: Randy Magruder wrote: I'm trying to square the sensationalistic nature of the headline with the text of the interview. The headline is wrong. Headlines are usually written by a different person than the article author, and the editor who writes them frequently has little to no grasp of the subject matter. Back to top Dave Jewell Guest Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 7:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Everybody's interested, but not *that* much... "Peter Morris [Droopy eyes software]" <pete (AT) NO_droopyeyes_SPAM (DOT) com> wrote in message news:44184e4e$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: ... but also that he is some how personally involved... Indeed, that was my take on DavidI's initial announcement. From the wording, he certainly seemed to consider it a "done-deal" that he'd be going to the new company. Who's 'gonna tell him...? ;-) Dave Back to top Brian Moelk Guest Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 7:03 pm    Post subject: Re: The Editor's response Quote: I see your point about editorialising, however. Certainly the sub-head (the brief that follows the headline) is expected to summarise the content of the story and I believe it's done that. The part of the story this relates is: snip Do you have any buyers lined up for Delphi and the JBuilder businesses? No, we don't have any buyers lined up. We have had, I think, over ten, I think the number is up to 12, interested parties right now looking at this. So, there's a lot of interest there. You say there are interested parties, but they're not buyers. Does that mean they've looked at it and then decided no, or what's the deal there? It's just part of the process. We've had over ten entities express interest in acquiring these assets. snip So from that respect, Borland is claiming to have "interested parties" who are not buyers. That says to me they're really not that interested. Damn...that's spin if I've ever heard spin: 10-12 interested parties = nobody's interested huh? -- Brian Moelk bmoelk (AT) NObrainendeavorSPAM (DOT) FORcomME http://www.brainendeavor.com Back to top Randy Magruder Guest Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 7:03 pm    Post subject: The Editor's response I have gotten permission to post his response. ------------------- I think you're over-reacting to a headline that does accurately reflect the story... Borland can't identify the bidders, hasn't received any concrete offers and has no prospects going forward... so "nobody's interested" is valid I feel. It's hard to compress an entire story into one headline - in this case while there is "interest" (mostly from observers it would seem like you and me) there is no interest from a buyer. Hope that helps, Paul Brislen --------------------------- He then followed up with this: -------------------------------- No, no problem with it going online somewhere... Where abouts? I always like a good flame fest... ;-) Here's a more considered response now I've re-read the story. It's a tad early here so I'm a bit slow/distracted... I guess what I'm saying is that I feel the headline accurately reflects the content of the story in so far as there is no active interest in Borland's unit. Anyone can ring up and say "how much do you want?" but does that constitute serious interest? I don't think it does. So far there are no active purchasers pursuing Borland, no sign of any coming on board and in that situation, a headline (well, a subhead) that says "Borland plans to sell off its faltering JBuilder Java IDE business, as well as its Windows tools platform, including Delphi, but so far nobody's interested" seems quite valid, particularly when the headline itself says: "Borland: No buyer for tools line yet". I see your point about editorialising, however. Certainly the sub-head (the brief that follows the headline) is expected to summarise the content of the story and I believe it's done that. The part of the story this relates is: <snip> Do you have any buyers lined up for Delphi and the JBuilder businesses? No, we don't have any buyers lined up. We have had, I think, over ten, I think the number is up to 12, interested parties right now looking at this. So, there's a lot of interest there. You say there are interested parties, but they're not buyers. Does that mean they've looked at it and then decided no, or what's the deal there? It's just part of the process. We've had over ten entities express interest in acquiring these assets. <snip> So from that respect, Borland is claiming to have "interested parties" who are not buyers. That says to me they're really not that interested. How's that? Cheers, Paul Back to top Joe Hendricks Guest Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 7:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Everybody's interested, but not *that* much... Dave Jewell wrote: Quote: From the wording, he certainly seemed to consider it a "done-deal" that he'd be going to the new company. Let's hope so: His shirts alone will guarantee DevCo a bright future ! ;-) JoeH Back to top Warren Postma Guest Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 7:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Everybody's interested, but not *that* much... Dave Jewell wrote: Quote: http://tinyurl.com/ejajq quoted from article: Quote: IDEs are just literally a point product area. They're one of the things that developers use. What it amounts to: Ford is a car company. We're committed to drivers. But Cars are just ONE of the things that drivers use. Ford is going to focus more on things like traffic flow management, highway safety testing, and other driver- life-cycle management issues, and is going to exit the car-manufacturing business. Warren Back to top Dave Jewell Guest Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 7:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Everybody's interested, but not *that* much... "Craig Stuntz [TeamB]" <craig_stuntz (AT) nospam (DOT) please [a.k.a. acm.org]> wrote in message news:44185128$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: The article subhead, which was probably written by the editor and not the author, is fiction and is contradicted by the article. Yeah - I thought so too. Interesting piece, apart from that. Dave Back to top Craig Stuntz [TeamB] Guest Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 7:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Everybody's interested, but not *that* much... Randy Magruder wrote: Quote: I'm trying to square the sensationalistic nature of the headline with the text of the interview. The headline is wrong. Headlines are usually written by a different person than the article author, and the editor who writes them frequently has little to no grasp of the subject matter. -- Craig Stuntz [TeamB] · Vertex Systems Corp. · Columbus, OH Delphi/InterBase Weblog : http://blogs.teamb.com/craigstuntz IB 6 versions prior to 6.0.1.6 are pre-release and may corrupt your DBs! Open Edition users, get 6.0.1.6 from http://mers.com Back to top David Smith Guest Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 7:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Everybody's interested, but not *that* much... Craig Stuntz [TeamB] kirjoitti: Quote: The article subhead, which was probably written by the editor and not the author, is fiction and is contradicted by the article. Yes, that pissed me off big time. What a crappy article header. They should be sued. David S. Back to top Bob Dawson Guest Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 8:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Everybody's interested, but not *that* much... "Dave Jewell" wrote Quote: Yeah - I thought so too. Interesting piece, apart from that. I wasn't sure whether interesting was the right word, or incoherent. Imagine the following: <Parody> Why is Ford exiting not only the Truck business, but the passenger car business also? What we're doing is, basically, Ford is committed to drivers. And what we're focusing on is, "How can we add value to the driver?" And what we've seen is that specific to the truck and the car options that [exist] today, Ford cars and trucks are only two among many types of vehicles that drivers work in. So, Ford's always been about choice and been a bit agnostic about actual vehicles. We're in essence, I'll say, exiting our truck business as the truck business, but then we're still committed and focused on the driver, very much focused on city driving, freeway driving, off-road driving, any type of driving and driver's equipment. We're moving out of vehicles to more of a traffic light focus. Vehicles are just literally a point product area. They're one of the things that drivers use. And what we've seen is the bigger impact that drivers can have for the organisation is more around traffic control. Traffic control lights have a lot more impact on transportation success or failure and also impact the transportation system [more] than the vehicle does. </Parody> Of course, the idea that Borland has to exit the development tools business to "focus on developers" is so self-evidently ludicrous that I'd think the above parody a waste of time. bobD Back to top Thomas Miller Guest Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 8:03 pm    Post subject: Re: The Editor's response I have to agree. It just shows how bad Borland marketing is. This guy should have been ready for these question and have been able to spin the answers in a positive way. My wife often would prep the president and also be at any public statements just to make sure the President didn't screw up and it could be fixed in a press release. You know a buyer is interested when they decide they want to enter a due diligence stage. This is were Borland opens up its books and lets the company buying verify they are getting what they think they are. If no one is there yet, then the article and editor would be correct. You would think after this many weeks, they would have someone at that stage. Jim Gallagher wrote: Quote: The problem is here: Do you have any buyers lined up for Delphi and the JBuilder businesses? No, we don't have any buyers lined up. I think that the Borland guy just expressed himself poorly. He answered truthfully but didn't place the emphasis in the right place. In fact the whole interview shows just how hard it is to talk off the cuff for publication. It's why they pay those guys the big bucks. 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