BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  feeling betrayed          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> C++ Builder (Non-Technical) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Radim Cernej Guest Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2003 12:13 am    Post subject: feeling betrayed To Borland: I am reading with horror about Borland's plans for C++ and VCL. I have no desire to use .NET, if I did, I would use Microsoft tools. VCL and the Delphi-family (incl BCB and Kylix) IDE were the assets that made me to use BCB. If BCB-X offered all the GUI power of BCB today and if there were a robust BCB===>BCB-X migration tool, BCB-X would be a great product. As it is, BCB-X is not worth much, I can be as productive with Emacs and DDD (a debugger GUI). As it is, BCB-X is completely useless to me. What happened to Kylix / Qt / CLX? What will Borland come up with 6 month from now? I am afraid of another revolutionary offering. Here is what I am going to do: I will use BCB 6 as long as possible, then I will switch to another GUI-development tool. Unless Borland changes its ways, I doubt that it will be a Borland tool. Next week I am starting in-depth evaluation of Qt-Designer from Trolltech. Radim Cernej Back to top Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) Guest Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2003 1:02 pm    Post subject: Re: feeling betrayed Radim Cernej wrote: Quote: To Borland: I am reading with horror about Borland's plans for C++ and VCL. Borland didn't announce anything conclusive about that, yet, so there is hope (see below). It may have been missed by many, since it is at the bottom, but the Open Letter says: "We recognize the importance of your investment in VCL technologies and will provide further details on native VCL support in and migration to C++BuilderX in a follow-up Open Letter within these next few weeks." But it also says: "Given these two long term strategies we solicit your input/comments on how we can best protect your investment in this area and we encourage your comments and recommendations on how we can continue to serve your software development needs. Do not hesitate to use QualityCentral or to email us (cpp_open_letter (AT) borland (DOT) com) directly to provide insight on your challenges and requirements for your current and future C++ projects." So I think everyone with an interest in the continuation of the VCL for Win32, and a designer that can be used in the CBX IDE, ought to write to that email address, [email]cpp_open_letter (AT) borland (DOT) com[/email] and tell Borland what they expect from them. The more people, the better. -- Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) "You can only find truth with logic if you have already found truth without it." - Gilbert Keith Chesterton (1874-1936) Back to top Chris Gordon-Smith Guest Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2003 9:48 pm    Post subject: Re: feeling betrayed Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote: Quote: Radim Cernej wrote: To Borland: I am reading with horror about Borland's plans for C++ and VCL. Borland didn't announce anything conclusive about that, yet, so there is hope (see below). It may have been missed by many, since it is at the bottom, but the Open Letter says: "We recognize the importance of your investment in VCL technologies and will provide further details on native VCL support in and migration to C++BuilderX in a follow-up Open Letter within these next few weeks." But it also says: "Given these two long term strategies we solicit your input/comments on how we can best protect your investment in this area and we encourage your comments and recommendations on how we can continue to serve your software development needs. Do not hesitate to use QualityCentral or to email us (cpp_open_letter (AT) borland (DOT) com) directly to provide insight on your challenges and requirements for your current and future C++ projects." So I think everyone with an interest in the continuation of the VCL for Win32, and a designer that can be used in the CBX IDE, ought to write to that email address, [email]cpp_open_letter (AT) borland (DOT) com[/email] and tell Borland what they expect from them. The more people, the better. Rudy Thanks for pointing this out. I for one will indeed write to Borland as you suggest, but I would think that if they were reading this newsgroup they would have got the message by now. 1) The top priority for BCB users is that code that compiles today on BCB6 will continue to compile on successor products for at least 5 years. 2) Building a cross platform product is an excellent idea, but without full support for VCL / CLX code and a GUI designer its useless. -- Chris Gordon-Smith London Homepage: http://graffiti.virgin.net/c.gordon-smith/ Email Address: Please see my Home Page Back to top Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) Guest Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2003 12:09 pm    Post subject: Re: feeling betrayed Chris Gordon-Smith wrote: Quote: Rudy Thanks for pointing this out. I for one will indeed write to Borland as you suggest, but I would think that if they were reading this newsgroup they would have got the message by now. In case you didn't know: this is just a peer support group. Borland management doesn't regularly read this group. Some members of DevRel appear here, but you can't count on that. Don't forget that this is a special Borcon, going on right now. Quote: 1) The top priority for BCB users is that code that compiles today on BCB6 will continue to compile on successor products for at least 5 years. Write them. Quote: 2) Building a cross platform product is an excellent idea, but without full support for VCL / CLX code and a GUI designer its useless. It is perhaps useless for you. It may not be useless for many C++ developers who have never used BCB or the VCL. After all, it contains a nice selection of compilers, an IDE, and perhaps soon, a RAD environment for cross-platform wx. -- Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) "Wit is educated insolence." - Aristotle (384-322 B.C.) 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