BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Good installation tool?          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Deployment View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Stephan Schneider Guest Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 1:16 pm    Post subject: Good installation tool? Hallo, I'm looking for a good installation tool, which allows me to create setups for our own applications (development with Delphi 5 and 6 Ent. Editions). Some requirements are - the setup should be allow different types of setups (standard, user-defined, etc.) - the setup asks for a license key (registered users get one) and depending on this key the setup only allows 'certain things' - update-setup of prior installed versions of the apps - installing the BDE, because most of these apps are BDE-based - updating pre-defined ini-files depending on what the users does during the setup progress; in other words: the user can/must set some properties and the property values are stored in ini-files - and so on... After reviewing InstallShield Express I arrive at a decision, that InstallShield Express isn't fit for all these needs. Do you knwo any other installtion tool? It should not sounds arrogant, but the price for the installation tool is - in limits - irrelevant. Kind regards Stephan Back to top Olivier Beltrami Guest Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 9:13 am    Post subject: Re: Good installation tool? Quote: After reviewing InstallShield Express I arrive at a decision, that InstallShield Express isn't fit for all these needs. For your requirements, and mine also, I have found that you can forget anything that is MSI-based (Windows Installer technology). It is basically a big inflexible ZIP file and you cannot do half the things you need. I use Wise Installation System 9.02 which is script based, handles the BDE installation fine and is extremely flexible. You can download a 30-day trial version at : www.wise.com/event_formframe.asp?branding=wis&event=2930 Some people on these NG also like Inno Setup a lot, but I have found it very inflexible (never managed to get it to script anything non-trivial, but that may be my fault). In any event, just make sure that you avoid any MSI-based solution. Olivier Back to top Stephan Schneider Guest Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 12:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Good installation tool? Hi Olivier, thanks for your suggestion. I've downloaded the evaluation version and now I'm 'playing' a little bit with Wise. How's about InstallShield? Kind regards Stephan "Olivier Beltrami" <olivier(some@junk)ae-soft(someother.junk)net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:4258ee3b (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: After reviewing InstallShield Express I arrive at a decision, that InstallShield Express isn't fit for all these needs. For your requirements, and mine also, I have found that you can forget anything that is MSI-based (Windows Installer technology). It is basically a big inflexible ZIP file and you cannot do half the things you need. I use Wise Installation System 9.02 which is script based, handles the BDE installation fine and is extremely flexible. You can download a 30-day trial version at : www.wise.com/event_formframe.asp?branding=wis&event=2930 Some people on these NG also like Inno Setup a lot, but I have found it very inflexible (never managed to get it to script anything non-trivial, but that may be my fault). In any event, just make sure that you avoid any MSI-based solution. Olivier Back to top Olivier Beltrami Guest Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 9:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Good installation tool? Quote: thanks for your suggestion. I've downloaded the evaluation version and now I'm 'playing' a little bit with Wise. Let me know if you have any questions. Quote: How's about InstallShield? I am biased against InstallShield, I admit it. I used InstallShield version 2, way back in 1993 and 1994, and let me tell you it was a nightmare. The manual was full of errors, and technical support (only available on CompuServe) was basically always asking you what build of a given EXE in the package you were using (there were over 20 separate command-line EXEs needed to actually build an installation program). Also, at that time, InstallShield used the in-famous VBRUN20.DLL (albeit in conceiled form) so that the simplest installer was always 300K (remember those were the days of 1.44MB diskettes installers). I then discovered Wise Installer in the Spring of 1994, and even back then it had most of the great features it now has. It was a revelation, and I never looked back. Olivier Back to top Ben Hochstrasser Guest Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 9:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Good installation tool? Stephan Schneider wrote: Quote: How's about InstallShield? Ugh. Everyone who has to deploy applications in a corporate LAN would hate you. IMHO every installer that cannot be 100% parameterized for silent/unattended [un]installation should be forbidden by law. -- Ben Back to top Stephan Schneider Guest Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 7:33 am    Post subject: Re: Good installation tool? Quote: Let me know if you have any questions. At the time now WISE 9.02 seems to be a very good installation tool, GUI and script based. The only thing I miss is a kind of tutorial, which I can follow. But perhaps this only my fault, because my knowledge in detail of WISE isn't so deep yet. It's very nice of you, that I can 'bother' you with some questions. Where should I send mails if I have a question? I think we shell avoid using this forum to ask detailed questions about WISE. Regards Stephan Back to top Olivier Beltrami Guest Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 2:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Good installation tool? Quote: Where should I send mails if I have a question? I think we shell avoid using this forum to ask detailed questions about WISE. Go to my web site (www.qppstudio.net) and use any of the "contact us" links to get through the spam filter. I'll then respond with my regular email account. Olivier Back to top Chris Morgan Guest Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 8:41 am    Post subject: Re: Good installation tool? Hi, We started using Inno a couple of years ago. It's brilliant. We used to use Installshield Pro (V6), which was a complete nightmare, and the most unfriendly piece of software I have ever come across. Inno on the other hand is simple, flexible, logical, easy to customise, and free. You will get a lot more reccommendations for Inno here, becuase it is an excellent tool. Cheers, Chris Back to top David Ridgway Guest Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 12:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Good installation tool? Hi Stephan, You could also try InstallAware, which is an MSI based installer package. It has a very good UI for building your setup, and you can also edit the script directly (I prefer not to do that myself, I know enough scripting languages without learning another :) www.installaware.com Cheers, Dave -- www.glyfx.com Back to top Ben Hochstrasser Guest Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 4:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Good installation tool? Chris Morgan wrote: Quote: Inno on the other hand is simple, flexible, logical, easy to customise, and free. You will get a lot more reccommendations for Inno here, becuase it is an excellent tool. Seconded. 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