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Ian Chodera
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 9:57 am    Post subject: HotMetal Reply with quote



Does anyone know what happened to SoftQuads HotMetal product - V5 was
supplied as a freebie with one of the Delphi / C++ Builder editions and
there was a version 6.

All references to SoftQuads web site lead to Corel, but a search on the
Corel site for HotMetal gives no results? has the product been dropped or
taken over by some other company under a new name.

If it has been dropped what is the best HTML / web page authoring suite
available now ? - the ones I have found fall either into WYSIWIG camp - easy
to create pages, but limited in what you can achieve or HTML editors, hard
to use but ultimately unlimited. HotMetal crossed the gap nicely, but the V5
product doesn't understand some of the latest HTML codes and is poor at
script support.



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Simon Bain
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 11:22 am    Post subject: Re: HotMetal Reply with quote



Hi,

I think I can help there.

"Ian Chodera" <ian (AT) archsw (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
Does anyone know what happened to SoftQuads HotMetal product - V5 was
supplied as a freebie with one of the Delphi / C++ Builder editions and

That was a good deal in the UK but it took a number of meetings to get it
tied down

Quote:
there was a version 6.

SoftQuad were bought by Corel Corperation last year. HotMetal has been
dropped...

Quote:
If it has been dropped what is the best HTML / web page authoring suite
available now ?

XMetaL -- But I would say that wouldn't I.

- the ones I have found fall either into WYSIWIG camp - easy
Quote:
to create pages, but limited in what you can achieve or HTML editors, hard
to use but ultimately unlimited. HotMetal crossed the gap nicely, but the
V5
product doesn't understand some of the latest HTML codes and is poor at
script support.

On behalf of the old SoftQuad team thank you. I know they will be
appreciative.
If you are looking for help on the product then some of the old support team
can be found here
[email]support (AT) tendotzero (DOT) com[/email] If you are looking for a new editor. Sorry I suppose
the best you can do
is XMetaL but for most this maybe a little expensive.

Regards

Simon Bain
TENdotZERO

Quote:






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Randall Parker
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 5:09 pm    Post subject: Re: HotMetal Reply with quote



Simon,

This is wondering even further off topic but since you sound like you
know what you are talking about: I have Ph.D. mathematician friend who
wants to know what the best HTML web page authoring program is for
mathematicians who want to include equations. He needs a way to put in
all that Greek lettering and the integral sign and easy ways to do sub
and superscripts. I'm not even sure that he can do all that without
using images.

So is your XMetaL able to do this? Is it even doable in HTML?

Or isn't there some sort of extension for describing equations using
some XML standard (whose name escapes me)? Does any designer support
that standard? MathML?

Simon Bain wrote:

Quote:
On behalf of the old SoftQuad team thank you. I know they will be
appreciative.
If you are looking for help on the product then some of the old support team
can be found here
[email]support (AT) tendotzero (DOT) com[/email] If you are looking for a new editor. Sorry I suppose
the best you can do
is XMetaL but for most this maybe a little expensive.

Regards

Simon Bain
TENdotZERO








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G.B.R.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 5:48 pm    Post subject: Re: HotMetal Reply with quote

"Randall Parker" <STOPtechiepundit (AT) EVILfuturePOXpunditSPAM (DOT) com> wrote in
message news:3fbcf574$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com...
Quote:
Simon,

This is wondering even further off topic but since you sound like you
know what you are talking about: I have Ph.D. mathematician friend who
wants to know what the best HTML web page authoring program is for
mathematicians who want to include equations. He needs a way to put in
all that Greek lettering and the integral sign and easy ways to do sub
and superscripts. I'm not even sure that he can do all that without
using images.
....


I think the basic Mathcad (under $100) is able to save in HTML. It has all
the nice features mathematicians may need, and it also has easy to use
wysiwyg editor.



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Simon Bain
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 7:43 pm    Post subject: Re: HotMetal Reply with quote


My XMetaL I should be so lucky although I can take some credit for bits of
it. But I think the authors of the
XML spec can take 99.9% of the credit. That is Peter and Bruce Sharpe wth a
couple of their mates.

But as for equation editors you need to be looking at MathML probably as the
best approach and maybe,
the best tool for this would be XMLSpy. Which handles MathML very well
http://www.xmlspy.com/download_spy_enterprise.html

Not my favourite editor, however that comes to personal preference, but it
does do an excellent job.

There are a number of other editors out there which I have not tried which
may well be as good if not better and cheaper,
I also know that a number of universities have their own plugins for various
tools, including one for Emacs which are worth a look at, but not WYSIWYG.

I hope that this helps.

All the best

Simon
TENdotZERO

"Randall Parker" <STOPtechiepundit (AT) EVILfuturePOXpunditSPAM (DOT) com> wrote in
message news:3fbcf574$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com...
Quote:
Simon,

This is wondering even further off topic but since you sound like you
know what you are talking about: I have Ph.D. mathematician friend who
wants to know what the best HTML web page authoring program is for
mathematicians who want to include equations. He needs a way to put in
all that Greek lettering and the integral sign and easy ways to do sub
and superscripts. I'm not even sure that he can do all that without
using images.








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Benny Hill
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 8:50 pm    Post subject: Re: HotMetal Reply with quote

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:57:46 +0000, Ian Chodera wrote:

* snip Ian's post asking about HoTMetaL *

Would Amaya work for your friends needs? I haven't used it myself, I only
noticed that it supports MathML...

http://www.w3.org/Amaya/

--
Benny
Remove your rose colored glasses before e-mailing me

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Mike Margerum
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 4:11 pm    Post subject: Re: HotMetal Reply with quote

maybe Tex/LaTex would work for him?
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Dominique Louis
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 12:16 pm    Post subject: Re: HotMetal Reply with quote

Hi Ian,
I used to use Netscape ( AKA Mozilla ) composer and have always found
ti adequaote for my needs. The latest version provides WYSIWIG, TAG, or
straight HTML source code tabs. You can edit in either tag and it will
be reflected in the WYSIWIG editor.

Dominique
http://www.DelphiGamer.com := go on, write a game instead;

Ian Chodera wrote:

Quote:
Does anyone know what happened to SoftQuads HotMetal product - V5 was
supplied as a freebie with one of the Delphi / C++ Builder editions and
there was a version 6.

All references to SoftQuads web site lead to Corel, but a search on the
Corel site for HotMetal gives no results? has the product been dropped or
taken over by some other company under a new name.

If it has been dropped what is the best HTML / web page authoring suite
available now ? - the ones I have found fall either into WYSIWIG camp - easy
to create pages, but limited in what you can achieve or HTML editors, hard
to use but ultimately unlimited. HotMetal crossed the gap nicely, but the V5
product doesn't understand some of the latest HTML codes and is poor at
script support.


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Bernhard Keil
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2003 1:52 am    Post subject: Re: HotMetal Reply with quote

Randall Parker <STOPtechiepundit (AT) EVILfuturePOXpunditSPAM (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
Simon,

This is wondering even further off topic but since you sound like you
know what you are talking about: I have Ph.D. mathematician friend who
wants to know what the best HTML web page authoring program is for
mathematicians who want to include equations. He needs a way to put in
all that Greek lettering and the integral sign and easy ways to do sub
and superscripts. I'm not even sure that he can do all that without
using images.

So is your XMetaL able to do this? Is it even doable in HTML?

Or isn't there some sort of extension for describing equations using
some XML standard (whose name escapes me)? Does any designer support
that standard? MathML?

Simon Bain wrote:



Randall,
you may want to have a look at SciWriter (http://www.soft4science.com)
wich is a scientific WYSIWYG-Editor with integrated
mathematical typesetting features.

Ouput Formats are:
1.) XHTML 1.1 + MahtML 2.0
2.) (X)HTML + Math Images
3.) HTML-encoded e-mail
4.) HTML Help Files
5.) LaTeX ( coming in version 1.5)
6.) DocBook ( coming in version 1.6)



Bernhard

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