BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  How about buying http://www.tmssoftware.com/          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Bear Guest Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 8:11 am    Post subject: How about buying http://www.tmssoftware.com/ Hi all, How about DevCo buying http://www.tmssoftware.com/ ?! I just find it by searching : Delphi Vista Button Component on Google. Their UI components are very very COOL. Now many programs developed by normal programmers is not easy to be beautiful because lacking of default cool UI components and graphic designer. UI is a very important part of modern programs now. (see Microsoft Visa, Apple Mac OS) For many shareware authors, UI is more important than others. It's money. You may ask: Do you want to get the free component from Delphi? No, they are not expensive and valuable, I can buy them. Why do I think DevCo need Buy the company? 1. VCL is lack of big update for years, is lack of new blood. 2. VCL is lack of modern UI components, the programmer can not make a "beautiful" UI quickly. 3. If Delphi developer can make such "beautiful" program in 1 minutes and others can not (VB,VC,Java,PHP developers), there will be more users or students use Delphi just because it is cool, just because the user can get something at once. 4. to http://www.tmssoftware.com/ , their products are good but maybe many companies who develop software products still decide not using them just because they are third-part components, not default VCL supported by Borland/DevCo. And many software developers do not know them too! If put them in Default VCL, all of us will know them and use them. Most people like to pay extra money on them I think. 5. This will be a sales point of Delphi 2007,2008, .. 6. DevCo will get some smart developers focusing on VCL. 7. More people will join Delphi community from other place just like DB-aware controls help them develop DB applications You may say , hi the function of a program is more important than UI! Yes. But when you sale a software to normal users, the beautiful UI will let them think : Oh, it is cool, I like it, I world like to buy it. sure ,it is based on the function of the software. I wish DevCo could provide more cool VCL, could let developers contribute to the default VCL library(contribute to Delphi itself). What do you think? Bear Back to top Alex Guest Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 8:11 am    Post subject: Re: How about buying http://www.tmssoftware.com/ Bad idea. Yes, these components probably cool (I do not know really). But it mean ony one - all (or most) competitors of these component vendors will gone in dust or force their switch to VS. After one-two years these components will obsolete without competing. And DevCo became like Big Brother for Delphi developers. If you need example - see on TeeChart. It's really cool. Do you know any REAL competitors for TeeChart? If your app could not work with TeeChart...you need to change your app and still use TeeChart. Only in .NET world you have choice. Delphi VCL is pretty good fot start and simple apps. And it allow starter vendors to easy enhance it for free or (later) commercial way. Alex "Bear" <Bear (AT) nobody (DOT) com> wrote in message news:44938d15 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: Hi all, How about DevCo buying http://www.tmssoftware.com/ ?! I just find it by searching : Delphi Vista Button Component on Google. Their UI components are very very COOL. Now many programs developed by normal programmers is not easy to be beautiful because lacking of default cool UI components and graphic designer. UI is a very important part of modern programs now. (see Microsoft Visa, Apple Mac OS) For many shareware authors, UI is more important than others. It's money. You may ask: Do you want to get the free component from Delphi? No, they are not expensive and valuable, I can buy them. Why do I think DevCo need Buy the company? 1. VCL is lack of big update for years, is lack of new blood. 2. VCL is lack of modern UI components, the programmer can not make a "beautiful" UI quickly. 3. If Delphi developer can make such "beautiful" program in 1 minutes and others can not (VB,VC,Java,PHP developers), there will be more users or students use Delphi just because it is cool, just because the user can get something at once. 4. to http://www.tmssoftware.com/ , their products are good but maybe many companies who develop software products still decide not using them just because they are third-part components, not default VCL supported by Borland/DevCo. And many software developers do not know them too! If put them in Default VCL, all of us will know them and use them. Most people like to pay extra money on them I think. 5. This will be a sales point of Delphi 2007,2008, .. 6. DevCo will get some smart developers focusing on VCL. 7. More people will join Delphi community from other place just like DB-aware controls help them develop DB applications You may say , hi the function of a program is more important than UI! Yes. But when you sale a software to normal users, the beautiful UI will let them think : Oh, it is cool, I like it, I world like to buy it. sure ,it is based on the function of the software. I wish DevCo could provide more cool VCL, could let developers contribute to the default VCL library(contribute to Delphi itself). What do you think? Bear Back to top Jacob Guest Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 8:11 am    Post subject: Re: How about buying http://www.tmssoftware.com/ Most 3rd party vendors hate when Borland does this - unless it's their component set that is included. It would be a good way for Borland to piss off it's partners. Plus, if they did buy them a few years ago then you wouldn't even have a Vista Button because of how stagnant included components have always been in Delphi. Quote: How about DevCo buying http://www.tmssoftware.com/ ?! I just find it by searching : Delphi Vista Button Component on Google. ... Back to top Lauchlan M Guest Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:11 am    Post subject: Re: How about buying http://www.tmssoftware.com/ Quote: There are no way "to focus on new features or products" just because Borland ask for it. Well, if Borland is moving into that market space, there would seem to be little alternative for that vendor. Innovate or perish. Quote: month before. If you have product with 100,000+ lines of code 6-12 month's mean nothing if your product will moved to dust. Indeed. But is that Borland's problem? Quote: Only one way I can see in this case - leave this market and port product to another market - VS, Java etc. Right, that's an option. Or adpating the produyct or building new products, int he Delphi market, are also options like I said. My point really was just Borland should give vendors enough notice so that vendors could update their products, create new ones, or enter new markets or businesses. Lauchlan M Back to top Alex Guest Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:11 am    Post subject: Re: How about buying http://www.tmssoftware.com/ "Bear" <Bear (AT) nobody (DOT) com> wrote in message news:4494b400$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: When I was using Delphi, I don't much anymore except to maintain, I avoided third parties as much as possible. With uncertain futures and the difficulty to keep up with updates, it's not usually worth the effort or cost. Many people/company have this viewpoint. Delphi market is more important than third-party market. Delphi need a VCL solution between itself and third-party market. This point of view named "Guys, please make our life rich and easy and do not ask money for this". Impossible. Probably Delphi market will increased ..for 6 months.Even for 12 months. Then it will move down. Right now you can find probably any solution in Delphi market. Moreover, these solutions enhanced year-to-year and help Broland keep Delphi competetive with another 'heavy' players like MS, Sun, IBM. Move people which provided most support (not only earn Delphi products for their own applications) for Delphi market to "enemy" teams and balance will changed. There is company named Apple. They was extremely raise in early 80. They provide same policy like you ask - All-in-One for customers. In result they near to leave market. A world market they leave a years ago. Alex Back to top Alex Guest Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:11 am    Post subject: Re: How about buying http://www.tmssoftware.com/ Quote: I suggest that Borland should give 3rd party component vendors 6-12 months notice before the product release with those changes, so vendors can shift gears and support/extend the updated components, focus on new features or products, or find new lines of revenue activity (their decision). There are no way "to focus on new features or products" just because Borland ask for it. It proceeded constantly and named competition. If some features not added right now, these features will not added just by Borland ask. Probably it may mean - vendors will able to leave Delphi market at all for 6 month before. If you have product with 100,000+ lines of code 6-12 month's mean nothing if your product will moved to dust. Only one way I can see in this case - leave this market and port product to another market - VS, Java etc. Alex Back to top Alex Guest Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 8:11 am    Post subject: Re: How about buying http://www.tmssoftware.com/ This is your right to agree or disagree. But real world data little different 2005 Apple have 2.9% of USA market and HOPE to rise to 5% http://news.com.com/iPod+to+boost+Apples+desktop+share/2100-1047_3-5628946.html But 3% (in 2003 - 1.7%) of world personal computer market(1% in Russia, 2% in China, 2.9% in USA)....too small for pioneers of this market. I think. When they start they have at least 10%.of total computer market and 90% of personal computers market. Does move from 90% to 3% not mean lost billions? Alex "Hannes Danzl[NDD]" <hannes (AT) nexusdb (DOT) dbnexus.com> wrote in message news:xn0ennpua6f06e00e (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: Alex wrote: No, I not kidding. Probably in USA. you are right. Outside of USA...they lost all chances for place on market. Probably their new Mac with x86 CPU and Windows XP will help, but I do not sure. They already lost billions. 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