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Richard Lang
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 9:47 pm    Post subject: How are people using these groups??? Reply with quote



I've traditionally used Google to browse the delphi newsgroups, but in the
last year or so have been suffering as a result of Borlands reorganistion of
their group hierachy - Google/usenet network seems to be lagging in picking
up the new groups (and yes, I have emailed Google support) however if I use
my Outlook newsreader pointed directly to the borland server I don't get the
depth of archive that Google provides and the search functionality bites in
comparisition.

How are you all out there coping with this??

Cheers

Richard.


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eshipman
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 10:13 pm    Post subject: Re: How are people using these groups??? Reply with quote



In article <41097072$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com>, [email]richard.lang (AT) my-deja (DOT) com[/email]
says...
Quote:
I've traditionally used Google to browse the delphi newsgroups, but in the
last year or so have been suffering as a result of Borlands reorganistion of
their group hierachy - Google/usenet network seems to be lagging in picking
up the new groups (and yes, I have emailed Google support) however if I use
my Outlook newsreader pointed directly to the borland server I don't get the
depth of archive that Google provides and the search functionality bites in
comparisition.

How are you all out there coping with this??

I don't use Google, don't like the format.
I use www.tamaracka.com. No need to worry about the group
hierarchy.

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Richard Foersom
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 10:18 pm    Post subject: Re: How are people using these groups??? Reply with quote



Quote:
my Outlook newsreader

No need to suffer with this malware magnet, there are lots of better
news readers and mail clients Wink.

Quote:
How are you all out there coping with this??

I use Mozilla and store newsgroups locally. When I have to search far
back I usually use Google. When it then turns out that the group I need
is one of these renamed groups I curse at both Google and Borland for
not solving this problem, and then head over to:

<http://www.tamaracka.com/>

Doei Richard

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Peter Gummer
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 11:50 pm    Post subject: Re: How are people using these groups??? Reply with quote

"Richard Lang" <richard.lang (AT) my-deja (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
How are you all out there coping with this??

I'm finding it irritating. Google advanced group search allows me to find
what I want with ease. Tamarack seems to have very few search options, and
very little flexibility in how you view the results. Maybe it's just me, but
so far I've found Tamarack almost useless.

:-( Peter Gummer



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Dave Nottage [TeamB]
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 12:35 am    Post subject: Re: How are people using these groups??? Reply with quote

Richard Lang wrote:

Quote:
How are you all out there coping with this??

XanaNews

http://www.wilsonc.demon.co.uk/d7xananews.htm

to read/post direct to/from Borland's servers.

Google

http://groups.google.com.au/advanced_group_search?hl=en

to search.

--
Dave Nottage [TeamB]

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Peter Gummer
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 1:32 am    Post subject: Re: How are people using these groups??? Reply with quote

"Dave Nottage [TeamB]" <dnottage (AT) n0sp4m (DOT) bigpond.net.au> wrote...
Quote:
XanaNews
...
Google

How does that help, Dave? Your choice of newsreader isn't going to prevent
the purging, is it? And Google advanced groups search definitely doesn't
find stuff that Google has kept.

- Peter Gummer



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JED
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 1:44 am    Post subject: Re: How are people using these groups??? Reply with quote

Peter Gummer wrote:

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How does that help,

You keep the messages. In a separate archive if you want.

You run it 24x7 in the taskbar. Have batches setup to retrieve all
messages (full) and set the batches to run every xx minutes.



--
JED, QC - Win32 Client for Quality Central:
http://www.alphalink.com.au/~jed/QC/
Alpha 2.6.1 Now Available (2 July 2004)

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Erwien Saputra
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 1:46 am    Post subject: Re: How are people using these groups??? Reply with quote

Peter Gummer wrote:
Quote:

How does that help, Dave? Your choice of newsreader isn't going to
prevent the purging, is it? And Google advanced groups search
definitely doesn't find stuff that Google has kept.

If you have high-speed connection, or you can online 24 hours, keep
Xananews open, setup a batch process that download messages every 30
minutes. You will have a nice archive there.

Wien.

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Daniel Becroft
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 1:47 am    Post subject: Re: How are people using these groups??? Reply with quote

JED wrote:

Quote:
Peter Gummer wrote:

How does that help,

You keep the messages. In a separate archive if you want.

You run it 24x7 in the taskbar. Have batches setup to retrieve all
messages (full) and set the batches to run every xx minutes.

That's fine for people that have a 24x7 connection, and don't need to watch the downloads.

--
Daniel Becroft
; =================================
"Real computer scientists don't comment their code. The identifiers are so long they can't afford
the disk space."

"Blue sparks and white smoke, the two most expensive components of any electrical system, and once
used up will cost a fortune to replace."

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Peter Gummer
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 1:49 am    Post subject: Re: How are people using these groups??? Reply with quote

"Peter Gummer" <pgummer (AT) decisions-made-easy-nospam (DOT) com.au> wrote

Quote:
... And Google advanced groups search definitely doesn't
find stuff that Google has kept.

Oops, I meant to write:
And Google advanced groups search definitely doesn't find stuff that Google
HASN'T kept.

- Peter



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Peter Gummer
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 1:51 am    Post subject: Re: How are people using these groups??? Reply with quote

"Daniel Becroft" <djcbecroft (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
That's fine for people that have a 24x7 connection, and don't need to
watch the downloads.


.... And who started archiving the messages years ago.



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JED
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 1:55 am    Post subject: Re: How are people using these groups??? Reply with quote

Daniel Becroft wrote:

Quote:
That's fine for people that have a 24x7 connection, and don't need to
watch the downloads.

Sure it is. i don't believe the original poster stated specific
requirements. I was just mentioning how it could be done.

--
JED, QC - Win32 Client for Quality Central:
http://www.alphalink.com.au/~jed/QC/
Alpha 2.6.1 Now Available (2 July 2004)

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JED
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 1:56 am    Post subject: Re: How are people using these groups??? Reply with quote

Peter Gummer wrote:

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... And who started archiving the messages years ago.

A lot of questions are rehashed almost yearly anyway. Sure there is
some gold in the archives, so if you can't find what your after.
Search elsewhere.

Didn't say it was a solution to end all solutions.

--
JED, QC - Win32 Client for Quality Central:
http://www.alphalink.com.au/~jed/QC/
Alpha 2.6.1 Now Available (2 July 2004)

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Dave Nottage [TeamB]
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 2:07 am    Post subject: Re: How are people using these groups??? Reply with quote

Peter Gummer wrote:

Quote:
How does that help, Dave? Your choice of newsreader isn't going to
prevent the purging, is it?

It prevents purging of messages that I've downloaded if I don't purge
them.

Quote:
And Google advanced groups search
definitely doesn't find stuff that Google has kept.

Usually the stuff it hasn't kept hasn't concerned me. Richard asked how
I cope: I answered how I cope.

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Dave Nottage [TeamB]

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Lee Grissom
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 3:08 am    Post subject: Re: How are people using these groups??? Reply with quote

Peter Gummer wrote:
Quote:
I'm finding it irritating. Google advanced group search allows me to
find what I want with ease. Tamarack seems to have very few search
options, and very little flexibility in how you view the results.
Maybe it's just me, but so far I've found Tamarack almost useless.

Yeah, I agree. I always go to
http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search?hl=en
and I never have had any issues finding anything. It's much more
useful to me than Tamarack. On the other-hand, perhaps there are
secret wiz-bang features of Tamarack that I am unaware of?
--
Lee



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