BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  How cna I debug this Goto page 1, 2  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> C++ Builder (Non-Technical) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message AlisdairM Guest Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 4:27 pm    Post subject: Re: How cna I debug this Tim Frost wrote: Quote: So I'm thinking somethings come unravelled in CC3270MT.DLL, but how I can work out what? Any ideas? Have you tried linking against the static runtime library? Generally we found debugging problems with the dynamic RTL to awkward with previous BCB, so insist on static linking all the time. It is not always the answer (for bug hunting) but is helpful more often than not. Also, previous BCB had bugs in the RTL that did not show up when static linking - I am not sure that will be the case with BCB2006 though (no test data either way, but many code-gen fixes in the compiler will no longer need workarounds, so RTL should be better anyway!) -- AlisdairM(TeamB) Back to top Tim Frost Guest Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 5:12 pm    Post subject: How cna I debug this Hi, I have compiled a BCB6 App with BS2006 and after a few minor tweaks it compiled ok. However when I run it, it crashes on loading, before any of my code executes. (That is if I press F8 it never gets into the code.) The stack looks like this when it goes down: :7c81eb33 kernel32.RaiseException + 0x52 :3277872e CC3270MT.___raiseDebuggerException + 0x1a :32778808 CC3270MT.___raiseDebuggerException + 0xf4 :7c9037bf ntdll.RtlConvertUlongToLargeInteger + 0x7a :7c90378b ntdll.RtlConvertUlongToLargeInteger + 0x46 :7c90eafa ntdll.KiUserExceptionDispatcher + 0xe :004577B8 _STCON0_() :32799f25 ; C:WINDOWSsystem32CC3270MT.DLL :3279a0fb CC3270MT.__startup + 0xeb So I'm thinking somethings come unravelled in CC3270MT.DLL, but how I can work out what? I am able to compile and run simple projects. The PC is a dual Xeon processor machine with a 3D Labs Wildcat Realizm 200 graphics card. I have BCB6 installed on the machine and it appears on the path after BS2006. The app is fairly large and uses OpenGL. Any ideas? Tim Back to top Roddy Pratt Guest Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 5:52 pm    Post subject: Re: How cna I debug this "Tim Frost" <Tim (AT) FrostNet (DOT) ltd.uk> wrote Quote: I have compiled a BCB6 App with BS2006 and after a few minor tweaks it compiled ok. However when I run it, it crashes on loading, before any of my code executes. (That is if I press F8 it never gets into the code.) The stack looks like this when it goes down: Try running the application from OUTSIDE the IDE Missing DLLs seem to cause incomprehensible debugger reports in the BDS2006 IDE, but get reported nicely 'outside'... Let me know if that fixes it. - Roddy Back to top Sebastian Ledesma [Solidy Guest Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:12 pm    Post subject: Re: How cna I debug this Hello: As I know, the new memory manager it's less permisive with reusing memory deleted/freed (since it allows to optimize cache usage). Probably it's bug in a third party control. You can check this two articles, they are pretty usefull The New Memory manager in BDS2006: http://bdn.borland.com/article/0,1410,33416,00.html Using the old Memory manager (Delphi 7) in BDS2006: http://cc.borland.com/Item.aspx?id=23580 Saludos Sebastian "Tim Frost" <Tim (AT) FrostNet (DOT) ltd.uk> escribió en el mensaje news:43c3ea88 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: Hi, I have compiled a BCB6 App with BS2006 and after a few minor tweaks it compiled ok. ..... Any ideas? Tim Back to top Nathan Anderson Guest Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:34 pm    Post subject: Re: How cna I debug this Tim Frost wrote: Quote: Hi, I have compiled a BCB6 App with BS2006 and after a few minor tweaks it compiled ok. Tim, Create a new project, and re-add all your source. I ran into this issue when converting one of my apps. Nathan. Back to top Tim Frost Guest Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 4:07 pm    Post subject: Re: How cna I debug this Hi, Yes I have tried that - the program still generates the error before anything is debuggable. Tim "AlisdairM" <alisdair.meredith (AT) uk (DOT) renaultf1.com> wrote Quote: Tim Frost wrote: So I'm thinking somethings come unravelled in CC3270MT.DLL, but how I can work out what? Any ideas? Have you tried linking against the static runtime library? Generally we found debugging problems with the dynamic RTL to awkward with previous BCB, so insist on static linking all the time. It is not always the answer (for bug hunting) but is helpful more often than not. Also, previous BCB had bugs in the RTL that did not show up when static linking - I am not sure that will be the case with BCB2006 though (no test data either way, but many code-gen fixes in the compiler will no longer need workarounds, so RTL should be better anyway!) -- AlisdairM(TeamB) Back to top Tim Frost Guest Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 4:09 pm    Post subject: Re: How cna I debug this Hi, I tried this, but it just crashed. I have done a bit of looking at _SCON0_, which seems to be related to memory allocation - so it is probably not a DLL problem in this case. Tim "Roddy Pratt" <roddy at spam fritter dot com> wrote Quote: "Tim Frost" <Tim (AT) FrostNet (DOT) ltd.uk> wrote in message news:43c3ea88 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... I have compiled a BCB6 App with BS2006 and after a few minor tweaks it compiled ok. However when I run it, it crashes on loading, before any of my code executes. (That is if I press F8 it never gets into the code.) The stack looks like this when it goes down: Try running the application from OUTSIDE the IDE Missing DLLs seem to cause incomprehensible debugger reports in the BDS2006 IDE, but get reported nicely 'outside'... Let me know if that fixes it. - Roddy Back to top Tim Frost Guest Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 4:10 pm    Post subject: Re: How cna I debug this Nathan, Yes I've tried this, it didn't help - unfortunately. Tim "Nathan Anderson" <nathan (AT) no_spam-andersonsplace (DOT) net> wrote Quote: Tim Frost wrote: Hi, I have compiled a BCB6 App with BS2006 and after a few minor tweaks it compiled ok. Tim, Create a new project, and re-add all your source. I ran into this issue when converting one of my apps. Nathan. Back to top Hendrik Schober Guest Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 4:29 pm    Post subject: Re: How cna I debug this Tim Frost <Tim (AT) FrostNet (DOT) ltd.uk> wrote: Quote: Hi, I have compiled a BCB6 App with BS2006 and after a few minor tweaks it compiled ok. However when I run it, it crashes on loading, before any of my code executes. (That is if I press F8 it never gets into the code.) [...] Any ideas? Do you have any global/static objects with user-defined constructors? Those objects will get initialized before 'main()' is entered and if something goes wrong during this, you'll never reach 'main()'. Whenever I have seen such problems, it was some ctor throwing or otherwise blowing up. Oh, and only now I see that you're compiling a BCB6 app with BSD2006. You did create the project from scratch, or did you? Quote: Tim Schobi -- [email]SpamTrap (AT) gmx (DOT) de[/email] is never read I'm Schobi at suespammers dot org "The sarcasm is mightier than the sword." Eric Jarvis Back to top Bob Gonder Guest Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 4:53 pm    Post subject: Re: How cna I debug this Tim Frost wrote: Quote: I have done a bit of looking at _SCON0_, which seems to be related to memory allocation - so it is probably not a DLL problem in this case. Do your app settings ask for a small stack or heap value? Maybe the new startup code is using just enough more to blow them? Back to top AlisdairM Guest Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 4:41 pm    Post subject: Re: How cna I debug this Tim Frost wrote: Quote: I have now fixed this. Many thank to all the suggestions from various people - however it turned out to be something different. Glad you got there in the end <g> Quote: How did I find it? Well having run out of ideas I turned on all the CodeGuard features, ran it outside the IDE (thanks for that one Roddy) and looked at the cgl file. It showed a memory leak in GLFrame.obj, which was odd as I didn't think it was in the project. I then did a 'find in files' on GLFrame and bingo. That's exactly why we have batch files set up to 'clean' our build system of any residue of the compiler - precompiled headers, objs, libs, exes and even ~ files. If anything strange is happenning our first action is to try a 'clean' build, to be sure we know what we are looking at before starting to debug. This solves around 90% of those 'wierd' problems, without even thinking about them. Suffice to say, we designed our project directory structure to make writing those batch files easy ;?) AlisdairM(TeamB) Back to top Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] Guest Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 4:52 pm    Post subject: Re: How cna I debug this ExoSet wrote: Quote: AlisdairM are you member of Borland's teamB ???? http://info.borland.com/newsgroups/teamb/teambbyproduct.html 8-))) Yes, he is. But that page has obviously not been updated yet. -- Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] http://velthuis.homepage.t-online.de "There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life." - Frank Zappa Back to top Tim Frost Guest Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 5:02 pm    Post subject: Re: How cna I debug this Hi, I have now fixed this. Many thank to all the suggestions from various people - however it turned out to be something different. In the original project I had used the Frame component in the IDE. Later I had removed this. However the IDE had added the line: #pragma link "GLFrame" Now I had removed GLFrame.cpp from the project, but not from the folder. (Yes it's abit sloppy, but it happens.) (I bet you can tell where this is leading now...) So the new compiler was linking in the old compiled version of the module, which is what caused the problem. How did I find it? Well having run out of ideas I turned on all the CodeGuard features, ran it outside the IDE (thanks for that one Roddy) and looked at the cgl file. It showed a memory leak in GLFrame.obj, which was odd as I didn't think it was in the project. I then did a 'find in files' on GLFrame and bingo. Thanks for all the help. Tim "Tim Frost" <Tim (AT) FrostNet (DOT) ltd.uk> wrote Quote: Hi, I have compiled a BCB6 App with BS2006 and after a few minor tweaks it compiled ok. However when I run it, it crashes on loading, before any of my code executes. (That is if I press F8 it never gets into the code.) The stack looks like this when it goes down: :7c81eb33 kernel32.RaiseException + 0x52 :3277872e CC3270MT.___raiseDebuggerException + 0x1a :32778808 CC3270MT.___raiseDebuggerException + 0xf4 :7c9037bf ntdll.RtlConvertUlongToLargeInteger + 0x7a :7c90378b ntdll.RtlConvertUlongToLargeInteger + 0x46 :7c90eafa ntdll.KiUserExceptionDispatcher + 0xe :004577B8 _STCON0_() :32799f25 ; C:WINDOWSsystem32CC3270MT.DLL :3279a0fb CC3270MT.__startup + 0xeb So I'm thinking somethings come unravelled in CC3270MT.DLL, but how I can work out what? I am able to compile and run simple projects. The PC is a dual Xeon processor machine with a 3D Labs Wildcat Realizm 200 graphics card. I have BCB6 installed on the machine and it appears on the path after BS2006. The app is fairly large and uses OpenGL. Any ideas? Tim Back to top ExoSet Guest Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 5:50 pm    Post subject: Re: How cna I debug this AlisdairM are you member of Borland's teamB ???? http://info.borland.com/newsgroups/teamb/teambbyproduct.html 8-))) Ï "AlisdairM" <alisdair.meredith (AT) uk (DOT) renaultf1.com> Ýãñáøå óôï ìÞíõìá news:43c3ee77$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: Tim Frost wrote: -- AlisdairM(TeamB) Back to top ExoSet Guest Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 6:47 pm    Post subject: Re: How cna I debug this "All , we belong to the same universe and we get the same hydrogen and everything else has this nice world....." Exosetappa Quote: Yes, he is. 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