BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  How to sell the new C++Builder. Any other ideas? Goto page 1, 2  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> C++ Builder (Non-Technical) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Guest Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 6:03 pm    Post subject: How to sell the new C++Builder. Any other ideas? 1. Fix the bugs, add speed and cut the overhead. 2. An aggressive price to bring new users. The way things are people will only upgrade, no new users. $300 for the new pro user. 3. Books at all bookstores with an Express version included. 4. C++Builder Express free and no limitations just like M$ does it. People are downloading and learning VisualC$.Net instead of C++Builder Express. 5. More demos like this: http://bdn.borland.com/article/0,1410,33450, 00.html and "how to" tutorials. Take a look at the M$ Express website for more ideas. 6... Any others? JR Back to top Yakov Becker Guest Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 7:03 pm    Post subject: Re: How to sell the new C++Builder. Any other ideas? I think Borland can sell BSD for much higher price than now. I was really surprised that I can upgrade from BCB 6 for less than $500. Average annual developer cost is $100-$120K. It really will not change my decision about development tool if DSD will cost $5000 or be given for free. For things it is good for (client side UI interface) VCL has no real competition. The most important things for me are 1. Future development assurance. This is most problematic part for me now. 2. Quality of compiler, VCL and IDE. I don't care if there are bugs in IDE but please release service packs as fast as you can. 3. Support. 4. New Features. Yakov Becker Back to top Ron Sawyer Guest Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 12:03 am    Post subject: Re: How to sell the new C++Builder. Any other ideas? I used to buy every version of Borland C++ pro - until 6. Then it was too far out of my range for personal development. Back to top Olivier Bertini Guest Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 11:03 am    Post subject: Re: How to sell the new C++Builder. Any other ideas? 6. Free or very low priced product for educational environments. If students learn BCB/BSD instead of visual studio, they would try to keep it later at work (even if it's not that easy...). Olivier Back to top Markcr Guest Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 4:04 pm    Post subject: Re: How to sell the new C++Builder. Any other ideas? They decided to sell the entire tools division instead! see post below <JR jr-nospam-de-vnet.com> wrote in message news:43fde83b$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: 1. Fix the bugs, add speed and cut the overhead. 2. An aggressive price to bring new users. The way things are people will only upgrade, no new users. $300 for the new pro user. 3. Books at all bookstores with an Express version included. 4. C++Builder Express free and no limitations just like M$ does it. People are downloading and learning VisualC$.Net instead of C++Builder Express. 5. More demos like this: http://bdn.borland.com/article/0,1410,33450, 00.html and "how to" tutorials. Take a look at the M$ Express website for more ideas. 6... Any others? JR Back to top Mike Margerum Guest Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 4:04 pm    Post subject: Re: How to sell the new C++Builder. Any other ideas? They need to improve C++ compliance and I think they gave up on Kylix too early. As for the price. They might be able to eek out $600 from me for an upgrade but anything over that and it better be really good. "JR" jr-nospam-de-vnet.com wrote: Quote: 1. Fix the bugs, add speed and cut the overhead. 2. An aggressive price to bring new users. The way things are people will only upgrade, no new users. $300 for the new pro user. 3. Books at all bookstores with an Express version included. 4. C++Builder Express free and no limitations just like M$ does it. People are downloading and learning VisualC$.Net instead of C++Builder Express. 5. More demos like this: http://bdn.borland.com/article/0,1410,33450, 00.html and "how to" tutorials. Take a look at the M$ Express website for more ideas. 6... Any others? JR Back to top David Dean Guest Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 4:04 pm    Post subject: Re: How to sell the new C++Builder. Any other ideas? In article <43ff2323$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com>, Mike Margerum <junk (AT) mail (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: They need to improve C++ compliance and I think they gave up on Kylix too early. If BCB had a highly compliant compiler and they released a command line version which didn't link for free, there would be a lot more interest. It would also make the boost folks job easier. I also think Kylix had potential, but I don't see that as a driver for BCB sales, but that BCB users would be more likely to buy Kylix. -- -David Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione. Back to top Tim Del Chiaro (Borland) Guest Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 8:03 pm    Post subject: Re: How to sell the new C++Builder. Any other ideas? Replies below. Tim "Yakov Becker" <yasha (AT) strategyrunner (DOT) com> wrote in message Quote: The most important things for me are 1. Future development assurance. This is most problematic part for me now. We're working on Update 2, bdsproj2mak, and the next version (Highlander). Hopefully that is reassuring to you. Quote: 2. Quality of compiler, VCL and IDE. I don't care if there are bugs in IDE but please release service packs as fast as you can. We're definitely continuing our focus on quality. Hopefully you can see we are on the right track when you look at the reponse to BDS 2006 vs Delphi 2005. We also realize the C++ compiler is an important area to focus on so we're hiring an additional compiler engineer http://borland.hodesiq.com/job_detail.asp?JobID=610585&user_id= Quote: 3. Support. We continue to support the product, fix bugs, and when it comes to supporting users by answering questions, the members of these newsgroups do an amazing job Quote: 4. New Features. We have a good set of new features planned for the next version. We don't deliver new features in our Updates so don't expect any major new functionality in Update 2 - just bug fixes. Back to top Kenneth de Camargo Guest Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 9:03 pm    Post subject: Re: How to sell the new C++Builder. Any other ideas? Tim Del Chiaro (Borland) wrote: Quote: 2. Quality of compiler, VCL and IDE. I don't care if there are bugs in IDE but please release service packs as fast as you can. We're definitely continuing our focus on quality. Hopefully you can see we are on the right track when you look at the reponse to BDS 2006 vs Delphi 2005. The new IDE is a joy to work. Code completion and folding in particular are my two favourite items. Just my 2c. -- Ken http://planeta.terra.com.br/educacao/kencamargo/ * this is not a sig * Back to top Sebastian Ledesma [Solidy Guest Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 10:03 pm    Post subject: Re: How to sell the new C++Builder. Any other ideas? Hi Tim: You can make a post in your blog about that. Yeah, I know, you have lot of work to do, but there is no much announces in the BCB field (as there are in the Delphi field). Saludos Sebastian "Tim Del Chiaro (Borland)" <tdelchiaro (AT) borland (DOT) com> escribió en el mensaje news:43ff5b19$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: Replies below. Tim "Yakov Becker" <yasha (AT) strategyrunner (DOT) com> wrote in message The most important things for me are 1. Future development assurance. This is most problematic part for me now. We're working on Update 2, bdsproj2mak, and the next version (Highlander). Hopefully that is reassuring to you. 2. Quality of compiler, VCL and IDE. I don't care if there are bugs in IDE but please release service packs as fast as you can. We're definitely continuing our focus on quality. Hopefully you can see we are on the right track when you look at the reponse to BDS 2006 vs Delphi 2005. We also realize the C++ compiler is an important area to focus on so we're hiring an additional compiler engineer http://borland.hodesiq.com/job_detail.asp?JobID=610585&user_id= 3. Support. We continue to support the product, fix bugs, and when it comes to supporting users by answering questions, the members of these newsgroups do an amazing job 4. New Features. We have a good set of new features planned for the next version. We don't deliver new features in our Updates so don't expect any major new functionality in Update 2 - just bug fixes. Back to top Roddy Pratt Guest Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 10:03 pm    Post subject: Re: How to sell the new C++Builder. Any other ideas? "Tim Del Chiaro (Borland)" <tdelchiaro (AT) borland (DOT) com> wrote in message news:43ff5b19$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: We're definitely continuing our focus on quality. Hopefully you can see we are on the right track when you look at the reponse to BDS 2006 vs Delphi 2005. We also realize the C++ compiler is an important area to focus on so we're hiring an additional compiler engineer http://borland.hodesiq.com/job_detail.asp?JobID=610585&user_id= Good news. However, not as much fun as the Atlanta position http://borland.hodesiq.com/job_detail.asp?JobID=617284&user_id= which requires... "knowledge of agile development approaches a definite plus. (XP, Scum, FDD, etc) " Scum??!!? I know some people don't like the ALM side of the business, but... - Roddy Back to top Db Guest Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 1:03 am    Post subject: Re: How to sell the new C++Builder. Any other ideas? Quote: 6... Any others? Make installable BDS2006 packages available for TurboPower products like Orpheus and Abbrevia, some of the most widely used tools of their upgrade audience. This is something that someone that knows what they're doing could probably accomplish in 20 minutes. I've been trying off and on for a week to get these working. I've got 21 days left on my trial and if I'm not successful getting these working by time the trial expires I'm not going to be able to justify the update. Db Back to top Jonathan Benedicto Guest Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 1:03 am    Post subject: Re: How to sell the new C++Builder. Any other ideas? Kenneth de Camargo wrote: Quote: The new IDE is a joy to work. Code completion and folding in particular are my two favourite items. Just my 2c. I'll second that. However, I don't have two items, everything for me :-) Jonathan Back to top Guest Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 1:03 am    Post subject: Re: How to sell the new C++Builder. Any other ideas? "Roddy Pratt" <roddy at spam fritter dot com> writes: Quote: http://borland.hodesiq.com/job_detail.asp?JobID=617284&user_id= "knowledge of agile development approaches a definite plus. (XP, Scum, FDD, etc) " Scum??!!? I know some people don't like the ALM side of the business, but... It appears to be a typo for Scrum, the agile project management methdology. http://www.controlchaos.com/about/ http://www.veloxit.no/mambo/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=26&Itemid=2 Back to top Jonathan Benedicto Guest Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 2:03 am    Post subject: Re: How to sell the new C++Builder. Any other ideas? Db wrote: Quote: Make installable BDS2006 packages available for TurboPower products like Orpheus and Abbrevia, some of the most widely used tools of their upgrade audience. This is something that someone that knows what they're doing could probably accomplish in 20 minutes. I've been trying off and on for a week to get these working. I've got 21 days left on my trial and if I'm not successful getting these working by time the trial expires I'm not going to be able to justify the update. 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