BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  ECO II vs. Bold + BoldExpress          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Model Driven Architecture (Third Party) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message server Guest Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2005 10:48 am    Post subject: ECO II vs. Bold + BoldExpress message unavailable Back to top Steven Beales Guest Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2005 10:48 am    Post subject: Re: ECO II vs. Bold + BoldExpress Quote: Can you use CSS in ASP.Net? Of course - each control has a CssClass that you can directly assign. Quote: Can you navigate to an object directly through a url? Yes, using datagrids, .NET databinding and datagrid templates. Steven Beales Chief Software Engineer Medical Decision Logic, Inc. 724 Dulaney Valley Road, Suite 2 Towson, MD 21204 Back to top Steven Beales Guest Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2005 11:06 am    Post subject: Re: ECO II vs. Bold + BoldExpress Quote: How does ASP.NET work compared to plain old ASP, IntraWeb or BoldRetina? ASP.NET is a managed component-based framework for the web. ASP.NET vs ASP is like Delphi vs Pascal. IntraWeb is more similar to ASP.NET but the .NET framework is a huge framework like J2EE and is managed code. Quote: How do you design your GUI? Like a form designer? Like plain old ASP = messy mixture of HTML and script code? What? Form designer Quote: What about security? Access rights, user authentication, ... ..NET framework has a comprehensive declarative security framework that can either be tightly bound to Windows security or declared using XML or .NET attributes. Quote: How easy/difficult is it to create my own web tree control using ASP.NET with ECO II behind the scenes? Not that hard ... you'd be using a tree server control and writing some code/ocl to poulate it with ECO objects. Quote: How can I handle load balancing. Say my server application will do some heavy processing on some calls and I don't want other users to have to wait in line for that call to return. In other words, I want to deploy to or more instances of the server application and user calls to be mapped to a server that's idle (if any) Easily ... ASP.NET supports web gardens ... you can choose to use SQL Server to store your session state, then deploy your application unchanged in this configuration with many servers. We've written many ASP.NET applications - we're currently seeing how well ECO II does under ASP.NET... Steven Beales Chief Software Engineer Medical Decision Logic, Inc. 724 Dulaney Valley Road, Suite 2 Towson, MD 21204 "Kjell Rilbe" <krilbe.sp (AT) mblock (DOT) home.se> wrote in message news:41e6202b (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Kjell Rilbe wrote: Quote: I'd like to know what I would gain and lose by moving from Bold + BoldExpress to ECO II. Never mind the Win32/.NET platform switch - I know about that. Thanks Sam and Bryan for your replies. But I don't really feel I know more now than I did before. How does ASP.NET work compared to plain old ASP, IntraWeb or BoldRetina? How do you design your GUI? Like a form designer? Like plain old ASP = messy mixture of HTML and script code? What? What about security? Access rights, user authentication, ... How easy/difficult is it to create my own web tree control using ASP.NET with ECO II behind the scenes? I need a *large* tree with headers and checkboxes with some extras (try www.itadress.se and press the button "Gå in som gäst" if you want to see it). How can I handle load balancing. Say my server application will do some heavy processing on some calls and I don't want other users to have to wait in line for that call to return. In other words, I want to deploy to or more instances of the server application and user calls to be mapped to a server that's idle (if any). (Btw, BoldExpress doesn't really do this either, but it does allow me to deploy multiple instances and have user *sessions* distributed between the instances in a round robin fashion.) Thanks, Kjell -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kjell Rilbe Home: +46 8 7610734 Cell: +46 733 442464 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "If there's a price for bein' me, that's one I'll have to pay" Aaron Tippin --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Back to top Kjell Rilbe Guest Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2005 11:37 am    Post subject: Re: ECO II vs. Bold + BoldExpress Thank you Steven for your input. A couple of follow-up questions below. Steven Beales wrote: Quote: How do you design your GUI? Like a form designer? Like plain old ASP = messy mixture of HTML and script code? What? Form designer One thing I didn't like about IntraWeb when I tried it was that it would require page reloads in various situations that I as a user would not normally perceive as "now I'm going to post this form and get a new page". In other words I got the feeling that it would reload the page while I was working with it, interrupting my work. (Event handlers as well as many property changes would trigger a page reload.) Does ASP.NET suffer from this as well? Quote: How easy/difficult is it to create my own web tree control using ASP.NET with ECO II behind the scenes? Not that hard ... you'd be using a tree server control and writing some code/ocl to poulate it with ECO objects. My tree contains about 15 main items (headers) and about 2000 checkboxes, each representing a Bold object. I've written a JavaScript to handle this tree. When submitting the form, it will post a list of checkbox BoldID:s in a SOAP parameter (BoldExpress). It's important that the tree loads fairly quickly and is responsive to user actions. Would this be easy, hard, impossible with ASP.NET? Thanks, Kjell -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kjell Rilbe Home: +46 8 7610734 Cell: +46 733 442464 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "If there's a price for bein' me, that's one I'll have to pay" Aaron Tippin --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Back to top Steven Beales Guest Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2005 7:19 am    Post subject: Re: ECO II vs. Bold + BoldExpress Hi Kjell Quote: (Event handlers as well as many property changes would trigger a page reload.) Does ASP.NET suffer from this as well? This is how ASP.NET works out of the box with server-side event handlers that require a postback of the page. However, in the new ASP.NET 2.0 framework (still in beta) you can use script callbacks. Script callbacks provide the plumbing for a remote URL call without redrawing the page or disrupting the application flow. They are available in recent browsers that support the XmlHttpRequest object. Quote: I've written a JavaScript to handle this tree. When submitting the form, it will post a list of checkbox BoldID:s in a SOAP parameter (BoldExpress). It's important that the tree loads fairly quickly and is responsive to user actions. Would this be easy, hard, impossible with ASP.NET? With ASP.NET you can always just use JavaScript and do the same thing. There are various ASP.NET tree controls you can try out but ultimately they all render themselves as a mix of JavaScript and HTML,so you might as well just reuse your existing JavaScript tree. ASP.NET support for SOAP/web services is excellent. Thanks Steven "Kjell Rilbe" <krilbe.sp (AT) mblock (DOT) home.se> wrote in message news:422e998d (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: Thank you Steven for your input. A couple of follow-up questions below. Steven Beales wrote: How do you design your GUI? Like a form designer? Like plain old ASP = messy mixture of HTML and script code? What? Form designer One thing I didn't like about IntraWeb when I tried it was that it would require page reloads in various situations that I as a user would not normally perceive as "now I'm going to post this form and get a new page". In other words I got the feeling that it would reload the page while I was working with it, interrupting my work. (Event handlers as well as many property changes would trigger a page reload.) Does ASP.NET suffer from this as well? How easy/difficult is it to create my own web tree control using ASP.NET with ECO II behind the scenes? Not that hard ... you'd be using a tree server control and writing some code/ocl to poulate it with ECO objects. My tree contains about 15 main items (headers) and about 2000 checkboxes, each representing a Bold object. I've written a JavaScript to handle this tree. When submitting the form, it will post a list of checkbox BoldID:s in a SOAP parameter (BoldExpress). It's important that the tree loads fairly quickly and is responsive to user actions. Would this be easy, hard, impossible with ASP.NET? Thanks, Kjell -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Kjell Rilbe Home: +46 8 7610734 Cell: +46 733 442464 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - "If there's a price for bein' me, that's one I'll have to pay" Aaron Tippin -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Back to top Kjell Rilbe Guest Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2005 12:19 pm    Post subject: Re: ECO II vs. Bold + BoldExpress Thank you Steve for clearing up a few things about ASP.NET for me. Kjell Steven Beales wrote: [snip] -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kjell Rilbe Home: +46 8 7610734 Cell: +46 733 442464 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "If there's a price for bein' me, that's one I'll have to pay" Aaron Tippin --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Back to top alex Guest Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 12:23 am    Post subject: Re: Bold TCP OSS and Locking On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 11:15:51 -0800, <boldtcp (AT) holtonsystems (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: New Version 3.0.1.22 Available at http://www.holtonsystems.com/downloads/HISBoldTCPOSS.zip 2/5 - Allowed Locking of String w/o locking all edit elements How I Can Try The New Version of TCPOSS if i hasn't any. or I must buy it first? How do i get a password? 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