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Matt Lowe Guest
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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 1:55 am Post subject: bdsproj2mak: does not write libfile path (-l) |
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If you set a libfile path in your linker project options (-l), bdsproj2mak
will not pass it through to the resulting makefile.
The corresponding bdsproj line looks like this:
<property category="win32.*.win32b.ilink32"
name="option.l.arg.1" value="..\lib"/>
And (-l) is "dash ell", not "dash eye". The dash eye option (obj file path)
comes through fine.
Reported as QC#34652
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Matt Lowe
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Dennis Jones Guest
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 1:52 am Post subject: Re: bdsproj2mak: does not write libfile path (-l) |
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"Matt Lowe" <dontspammatt (AT) milsoft (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:451d8851$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com...
| Quote: | If you set a libfile path in your linker project options (-l), bdsproj2mak
will not pass it through to the resulting makefile.
The corresponding bdsproj line looks like this:
property category="win32.*.win32b.ilink32"
name="option.l.arg.1" value="..\lib"/
And (-l) is "dash ell", not "dash eye". The dash eye option (obj file
path) comes through fine.
Reported as QC#34652
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Matt Lowe
Milsoft Utility Solutions
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Dennis Jones Guest
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 1:53 am Post subject: Re: bdsproj2mak: does not write libfile path (-l) |
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"Matt Lowe" <dontspammatt (AT) milsoft (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:451d8851$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com...
| Quote: | If you set a libfile path in your linker project options (-l), bdsproj2mak
will not pass it through to the resulting makefile.
The corresponding bdsproj line looks like this:
property category="win32.*.win32b.ilink32"
name="option.l.arg.1" value="..\lib"/
And (-l) is "dash ell", not "dash eye". The dash eye option (obj file
path) comes through fine.
Reported as QC#34652
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Was already reported in QC as #29879, which was reported quite some time
ago, but still needs to be opened...are any QC folks paying attention?
- Dennis |
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David Dean Guest
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 2:03 am Post subject: Re: bdsproj2mak: does not write libfile path (-l) |
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In article <453bda4b (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com>,
"Dennis Jones" <nospam (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote:
| Quote: | are any QC folks paying attention?
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I haven't been able to duplicate it. I've been meaning to reinstall
everything in a VM to try again, but haven't gotten around to it. It is
on my radar though.
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-David
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Dennis Jones Guest
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 2:10 am Post subject: Re: bdsproj2mak: does not write libfile path (-l) |
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"David Dean" <ozchzhq02 (AT) sneakemail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:ozchzhq02-AD0125.17031522102006 (AT) frylock (DOT) local...
| Quote: | In article <453bda4b (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com>,
"Dennis Jones" <nospam (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote:
are any QC folks paying attention?
I haven't been able to duplicate it. I've been meaning to reinstall
everything in a VM to try again, but haven't gotten around to it. It is
on my radar though.
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Surely you aren't the only person evaluating QC reports... or are you? It
seems so, and this is just plain dumb. Borland should be evaluating them.
I appreciate the benefit to Borland that a filter (persons like yourself)
can have, but geez...are they so darned busy that they cannot bother
themselves to evaluate QC reports? They made this big stink about how they
were going to be better at QC, and then they farm out all of the filtering
to one or two people, who (no offense) are quite often "unable to
reporoduce" problems reported by (often many) users. Sheesh.
- Dennis |
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David Dean Guest
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 6:21 am Post subject: Re: bdsproj2mak: does not write libfile path (-l) |
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In article <453bde3e$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com>,
"Dennis Jones" <nospam (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote:
| Quote: | Surely you aren't the only person evaluating QC reports... or are you? It
seems so, and this is just plain dumb.
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It does seem like it since I may be the most active sysop in the C++
area, but it isn't so. There are two level one sysops that help me quite
a bit, they don't get much credit for the work they do yet. (unless you
pay close attention to the comments, or are tracking reports that they
have edited) Before I became a level 2 sysop, I relied on two other
people to promote the reports that I marked for attention, in addition
to the Borland employees that would open them as well. Maybe I've beat
them to the punch often enough that they don't feel the need to spend as
much time in the C++ area any more.
| Quote: | Borland should be evaluating them.
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They do. Craig Farrell has opened a bunch recently. Owen Urkov is
another Borland Employee that often gets reports that I miss. (and also
opened a lot when I couldn't)
| Quote: | I appreciate the benefit to Borland that a filter (persons like yourself)
can have, but geez...are they so darned busy that they cannot bother
themselves to evaluate QC reports?
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I hope that my effort has given them more time to work on fixing
bugs, rather than trying to reproduce all the reports in QC. I do think
that they need more sysops (Delphi's backlog is much worse than the one
for C++, IMO) and it would be nice if employees were encouraged to spend
more time in QC. (Maybe even having some employees whose primary
responsibility was to sysop QC)
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-David
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Dennis Jones Guest
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:10 am Post subject: Re: bdsproj2mak: does not write libfile path (-l) |
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"David Dean" <ozchzhq02 (AT) sneakemail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:ozchzhq02-97C8E8.21215322102006 (AT) frylock (DOT) local...
| Quote: | In article <453bde3e$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com>,
I hope that my effort has given them more time to work on fixing
bugs, rather than trying to reproduce all the reports in QC. I do think
that they need more sysops (Delphi's backlog is much worse than the one
for C++, IMO) and it would be nice if employees were encouraged to spend
more time in QC. (Maybe even having some employees whose primary
responsibility was to sysop QC)
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David,
Thanks for the explanation. Yes, having an employee devoted to reproducing,
verifying or challenging QC reports might be useful. Unfortunately, that
person would have to be intimately familiar with every aspect of every tool
to be very effective. A better approach might be to have one team member
(developer) from each tool/product team take one day a week to do QC
evaluation for items related to his/her tool/product, since they are the
ones who would have a much better chance at understanding the ways in which
the tool/product might be prone to fail and whether or not the report has
any real merit. But alas, this isn't likely to happen as the developers are
probably more likely encouraged to work on new features instead of worrying
about finding and fixing bugs. After all, that's the job of QA and beta
testers, isn't it?
- Dennis |
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David Dean Guest
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:00 pm Post subject: Re: bdsproj2mak: does not write libfile path (-l) |
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In article <453c397b$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com>,
"Dennis Jones" <nospam (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote:
| Quote: | After all, that's the job of QA and beta
testers, isn't it?
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I've found that the QC notifications by email are very useful,
perhaps I could suggest to Chris Pattinson (QA manager) that the QA
staff should be asked to subscribe to Area notifications for the areas
that are their responsibility.
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-David
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Dennis Jones Guest
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:28 pm Post subject: Re: bdsproj2mak: does not write libfile path (-l) |
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"David Dean" <ozchzhq02 (AT) sneakemail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:ozchzhq02-7C0298.11005323102006 (AT) frylock (DOT) local...
| Quote: | In article <453c397b$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com>,
"Dennis Jones" <nospam (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote:
After all, that's the job of QA and beta
testers, isn't it?
I've found that the QC notifications by email are very useful,
perhaps I could suggest to Chris Pattinson (QA manager) that the QA
staff should be asked to subscribe to Area notifications for the areas
that are their responsibility.
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Excellent idea.
- Dennis |
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Dennis Jones Guest
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:35 pm Post subject: Re: bdsproj2mak: does not write libfile path (-l) |
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"David Dean" <ozchzhq02 (AT) sneakemail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:ozchzhq02-7C0298.11005323102006 (AT) frylock (DOT) local...
| Quote: | In article <453c397b$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com>,
"Dennis Jones" <nospam (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote:
After all, that's the job of QA and beta
testers, isn't it?
I've found that the QC notifications by email are very useful,
perhaps I could suggest to Chris Pattinson (QA manager) that the QA
staff should be asked to subscribe to Area notifications for the areas
that are their responsibility.
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Oh, and by the way, I was being sarchastic, in case my tone wasn't obvious.
I think developers SHOULD take responsibility for testing and finding and
fixing their own bugs. Leaving that job to beta testers and QA shows a lack
of pride in one's work, and a lack of concern for quality. Nevertheless,
your idea is a good one.
- Dennis |
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David Dean Guest
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:40 pm Post subject: Re: bdsproj2mak: does not write libfile path (-l) |
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In article <453cef61$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com>,
"Dennis Jones" <nospam (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote:
| Quote: | Oh, and by the way, I was being sarchastic, in case my tone wasn't obvious.
I think developers SHOULD take responsibility for testing and finding and
fixing their own bugs.
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While I agree, I don't know who to talk to about the C++ R&D team. I
think they should subscribe to area notifications as well. Maybe when a
C++ product manager is found, I can talk to that person about it. Chris
has been kind enough to post in the groups, and seems pretty open to
suggestions, and that is why I mentioned him and QA specifically.
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-David
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Dennis Jones Guest
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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 12:23 am Post subject: Re: bdsproj2mak: does not write libfile path (-l) |
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"David Dean" <ozchzhq02 (AT) sneakemail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:ozchzhq02-F3532E.12405023102006 (AT) frylock (DOT) local...
| Quote: | In article <453cef61$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com>,
"Dennis Jones" <nospam (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote:
Oh, and by the way, I was being sarchastic, in case my tone wasn't
obvious.
I think developers SHOULD take responsibility for testing and finding and
fixing their own bugs.
While I agree, I don't know who to talk to about the C++ R&D team. I
think they should subscribe to area notifications as well. Maybe when a
C++ product manager is found, I can talk to that person about it. Chris
has been kind enough to post in the groups, and seems pretty open to
suggestions, and that is why I mentioned him and QA specifically.
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Well, QA would be a good first step. Perhaps Chris would pass the
suggestion on to the C++ team.
- Dennis |
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