BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  BCB2007? Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> C++ Builder (Non-Technical) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Sig Guest Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 4:12 am    Post subject: BCB2007? After D2007 release will there be BCB2007 or do we have to wait for BDS2007? I haven't seen any announcements nor roadmap. Back to top David Dean [CodeGear] Guest Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 8:10 am    Post subject: Re: BCB2007? In article <45ff18ce$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com>, Sig <ss (AT) h (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: After D2007 release will there be BCB2007 or do we have to wait for BDS2007? I haven't seen any announcements nor roadmap. There hasn't been any official announcement to my knowledge, but Michael Swindell has posted that there will be a C++ specific product release. -- -David Dean CodeGear C++ QA Engineer <http://blogs.codegear.com/ddean/> Back to top Arnie Guest Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 11:47 pm    Post subject: Re: BCB2007? "Sig" <ss (AT) h (DOT) com> wrote in message news:45ff18ce$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: After D2007 release will there be BCB2007 or do we have to wait for BDS2007? I haven't seen any announcements nor roadmap. BCB will always be the red haired stepchild. - Arnie Back to top Andreas Hausladen Guest Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 11:54 pm    Post subject: Re: BCB2007? Arnie wrote: Quote: BCB will always be the red haired stepchild. Maybe they really want to improve the compiler. Catching up the lost years takes a lot of time. Compiling Qt 4.2.3 with BDS 2006 is a pain in the *** at the moment. -- Regards, Andreas Hausladen Back to top Andreas Hausladen Guest Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 1:01 am    Post subject: Re: BCB2007? Duane Hebert wrote: Quote: You may want to get the latest snapshot for 4.3 to avoid some future pain <g> The trolls expect 4.3 to be out 2nd quarter. It is not much work to update the patch from 4.2.3 to 4.2. Most time is spend on finding all the workarounds for the bcc32 5.8x compiler bug. The worst where I haven't found a solution yet is the "QString::compare(QString&, QString&) vs QString::compare(QLatin1String, Qt::CaseSensitivity) ambigusity". Sorry bcc32, but I can't see an ambigusity here. Especially if I call the function that way: myString.compare(QLatin1String("Hallo"), Qt::CaseInsensitive); -- Regards, Andreas Hausladen Back to top Anton Guest Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 1:33 am    Post subject: Re: BCB2007? Sig wrote: Quote: After D2007 release will there be BCB2007 or do we have to wait for BDS2007? I haven't seen any announcements nor roadmap. The fact that again we hear Delphi (even now for doing php!) and we hear nothing about C++ ... .... lets me think its going to continue the bad way. If borland spend time developing a php ide .. probably they didn't spend this time for BCB. Also to be noted: - you can get (download) the BCB6 help files now. I would have preferred an update3 for BCB2006 fixing the docs - The updates fixes quite a small amount of bugs. What is the "quality-center" good for? Is the plan to collect as much bugs as possible for a museum? If they collect bugs, but nobody has time to fix them, zhen its a pure waste of time Back to top Duane Hebert Guest Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 1:43 am    Post subject: Re: BCB2007? "Andreas Hausladen" <AndreasDOTHausladen (AT) gObviousToBeRemovedmx (DOT) de> wrote in message news:46002e0a$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: Arnie wrote: BCB will always be the red haired stepchild. Maybe they really want to improve the compiler. Catching up the lost years takes a lot of time. Compiling Qt 4.2.3 with BDS 2006 is a pain in the *** at the moment. You may want to get the latest snapshot for 4.3 to avoid some future pain <g> The trolls expect 4.3 to be out 2nd quarter. Back to top Duane Hebert Guest Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 2:44 am    Post subject: Re: BCB2007? "Andreas Hausladen" <AndreasDOTHausladen (AT) gObviousToBeRemovedmx (DOT) de> wrote in message news:46003de3$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: Duane Hebert wrote: You may want to get the latest snapshot for 4.3 to avoid some future pain <g> The trolls expect 4.3 to be out 2nd quarter. It is not much work to update the patch from 4.2.3 to 4.2. Most time is spend on finding all the workarounds for the bcc32 5.8x compiler bug. Usually 4.x.a to 4.x.b is not going to change the API but I think that 4.x to 4.y may do so. Quote: The worst where I haven't found a solution yet is the "QString::compare(QString&, QString&) vs QString::compare(QLatin1String, Qt::CaseSensitivity) ambigusity". Sorry bcc32, but I can't see an ambigusity here. Especially if I call the function that way: myString.compare(QLatin1String("Hallo"), Qt::CaseInsensitive); So it's confusing member compare int compare ( const QLatin1String & other, Qt::CaseSensitivity cs = Qt::CaseSensitive ) const with a static: int compare ( const QString & s1, const QString & s2 ) Yikes. Back to top David Dean [CodeGear] Guest Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 4:50 am    Post subject: Re: BCB2007? In article <460042dc (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com>, Anton <antonxx (AT) gmx (DOT) de> wrote: Quote: If borland spend time developing a php ide .. probably they didn't spend this time for BCB. The people working on the PHP product are not now, nor ever were, on the C++ team. The C++ team has been working non stop. Quote: Also to be noted: - you can get (download) the BCB6 help files now. I would have preferred an update3 for BCB2006 fixing the docs The problem with the docs in BDS 2006 was too big for an update, Michael Swondell discusses this here: <http://groups.google.com/group/borland.public.delphi.non-technical/msg/9 229a1361538929f> or: <http://tinyurl.com/32dukx> Quote: - The updates fixes quite a small amount of bugs. What is the "quality-center" good for? Update 2 fixed hundreds of bugs. Quote: If they collect bugs, but nobody has time to fix them, zhen its a pure waste of time If you were paying close attention to QC, you would see that a lot of activity has been taking place over the past year. -- -David Dean CodeGear C++ QA Engineer <http://blogs.codegear.com/ddean/> Back to top David Dean [CodeGear] Guest Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 4:51 am    Post subject: Re: BCB2007? In article <46002c51$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com>, "Arnie" <NoOne (AT) home (DOT) now> wrote: Quote: BCB will always be the red haired stepchild. Then why did we get build configurations and build events before Delphi? -- -David Dean CodeGear C++ QA Engineer <http://blogs.codegear.com/ddean/> Back to top David Erbas-White Guest Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 7:46 am    Post subject: Re: BCB2007? David Dean [CodeGear] wrote: Quote: In article <460042dc (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com>, Anton <antonxx (AT) gmx (DOT) de wrote: If borland spend time developing a php ide .. probably they didn't spend this time for BCB. The people working on the PHP product are not now, nor ever were, on the C++ team. The C++ team has been working non stop. Also to be noted: - you can get (download) the BCB6 help files now. I would have preferred an update3 for BCB2006 fixing the docs The problem with the docs in BDS 2006 was too big for an update, Michael Swondell discusses this here: So, if the problem with the documentation was sooooo big that it couldn't even be fixed with an update, how, exactly, did it pass QA muster??? David Erbas-White Back to top David Erbas-White Guest Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 7:48 am    Post subject: Re: BCB2007? David Dean [CodeGear] wrote: Quote: In article <46002c51$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com>, "Arnie" <NoOne (AT) home (DOT) now> wrote: BCB will always be the red haired stepchild. Then why did we get build configurations and build events before Delphi? Because the name of the product is C++ Builder... Erego, anything that has 'build' in it inherently belongs to us. Now, if Delphi had been called 'Delphi Builder', we probably would have been second... <G> David Erbas-White Back to top David Dean [CodeGear] Guest Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 8:11 am    Post subject: Re: BCB2007? In article <46009c9f$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com>, David Erbas-White <derbas (AT) arachneering (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: So, if the problem with the documentation was sooooo big that it couldn't even be fixed with an update, how, exactly, did it pass QA muster??? I wasn't an employee at the time, so I don't know what happened for sure. We were already in the process of fixing things when I came on board. I was only a Borland Employee for a day and a half, but my experience with the Borland bureaucracy made me very happy to see how much things changed when we became CodeGear. I would guess that Borland's management had different priorities than QA. I'm very happy that our current management team understands our priorities. -- -David Dean CodeGear C++ QA Engineer <http://blogs.codegear.com/ddean/> Back to top David Erbas-White Guest Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 8:11 am    Post subject: Re: BCB2007? David Dean [CodeGear] wrote: Quote: In article <46009c9f$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com>, David Erbas-White <derbas (AT) arachneering (DOT) com> wrote: So, if the problem with the documentation was sooooo big that it couldn't even be fixed with an update, how, exactly, did it pass QA muster??? I wasn't an employee at the time, so I don't know what happened for sure. We were already in the process of fixing things when I came on board. I was only a Borland Employee for a day and a half, but my experience with the Borland bureaucracy made me very happy to see how much things changed when we became CodeGear. I would guess that Borland's management had different priorities than QA. I'm very happy that our current management team understands our priorities. Do you have any idea how silly some of this sounds? You were a user a year ago, you remember what the promises were prior to the release of BDS2006. There were all sorts of promises about better documentation, better QA, about how they 'really get it, now' and all that sort of stuff. Now, with comments like yours, it reads like, "Well, yeah, but they MADE us say that stuff then, and now we REALLY MEAN it." It just doesn't work that way. Borland released BDS2006, but very soon after release all the stuff was turned over to 'DevCo'. It wasn't until late last year that 'DevCo' morphed into 'CodeGear' -- but obviously it was most/all of the same people. I don't know where/when the decision was made to not 'fix' the problem, but I think it's royally shafting those customers who paid for it (and that would include, by the way, me). I installed it just long enough to realize that it would (probably) be more of a problem than a solution (because of third-party controls, etc.) since there was no appreciable benefit from using it, and several detriments. I don't (well, didn't) view it as a 'loss' because I was expecting that Borland/DevCo/CodeGear would fix the problems, and ultimately I would have what I paid for -- a complete, documented solution for Delphi and BCB. But I don't have that. Now, we're being told that we need to fork over MORE money to fix the problem that was BROKEN by you (the Borland/DevCo/CodeGear collective, that is) in the first place. I don't take kindly to that kind of rip-off. So this whole thing leaves 'two' bad tastes -- the 'lying' part, and the 'cheating' part. Yes, you guys have shown that (individually) you're putting forth the extra effort -- but there is no question in my mind that much of the corporate mindset remains that hobbled Borland in the past. I think that CodeGear has better 'individuals' in certain key positions, but without the 'group think' changing, CodeGear will go down the same path that Borland was headed. BTW (and I haven't seen anyone else comment on this, correct me if I'm wrong) but for years and years lots of folks were critical about Borland and its practices, but both employees and TeamB folk would use the 'the death of Borland has been greatly exaggerated' line to show how wrong people were for criticizing Borland. However, now that CodeGear has been 'separated', many of these SAME PEOPLE, including employees, have no qualms about 'dumping' on Borland, and particularly its management, despite that fact the PREVIOUSLY they were defending these same practices. It's ironic... David Erbas-White Back to top Michael Swindell (CodeGea Guest Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 8:11 am    Post subject: Re: BCB2007? It was redone on a separate IDE branch, the D2007 branch. If it could have practiacally been retro'd back in to 2006 we would have. We'll take another look and see if there is any possible way to do it without imposing risk on D2006 IDE stability. At the very least one of the things I'd like to do deliver a recompiled D2006 help using the new tools - this wouldn't improve the F1 integration but it would make for nicer help content. "David Erbas-White" <derbas (AT) arachneering (DOT) com> wrote in message news:46009c9f$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: David Dean [CodeGear] wrote: In article <460042dc (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com>, Anton <antonxx (AT) gmx (DOT) de So, if the problem with the documentation was sooooo big that it couldn't even be fixed with an update, how, exactly, did it pass QA muster??? 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