BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  D7 or D8 and Webbroker convervsion Goto page 1, 2  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Internet Isapi-WebBroker View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Del Murray Guest Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 4:14 am    Post subject: D7 or D8 and Webbroker convervsion Hope this is the right group. Can anybody share a good process for moving webbroker ISAPI modules from D5 to D7 or D2006 ? I'm not sure how much longer my NT4 workstation is going to last.. its great for debugging under D5 but is getting pretty old by now. I want to be able to debug and compile for production without having to swap module names around. Would be willing to pay for some consulting time to get on my system with me using with GoToMyPC or NetMeeting and help set it up. If there is another group that this belongs in , pleas advise as I havent posted here in a long time. Jimmy ... are you still out there man ??? Del Murray Back to top Richard Bakos Guest Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 5:22 am    Post subject: Re: D7 or D8 and Webbroker convervsion Del Murray wrote: Hi Del, Quote: Can anybody share a good process for moving webbroker ISAPI modules from D5 to D7 or D2006 ? I'm not sure how much longer my NT4 workstation is going to last.. its great for debugging under D5 but is getting pretty old by now. What are your concerns? It's been years since I ported my ISAPI's from D5 to D7 but I remember it being fairly straight forward. Rich Bakos Back to top Del Murray Guest Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 11:09 pm    Post subject: Re: D7 or D8 and Webbroker convervsion Hi Rich,,, long time since we swapped emails .. Basically here is the problem. In D5, when you create a new ISAPI you get a unit with the name of your "project" where the TWebApplication is created and a "unit1" which is the "Webmodule1" and in there is all the code. In D7, that gets turned arround. The Webmodule gets created as "unit2" if you create a debugger app so that you can debug. THen when you're done developing, unit2 has to be returned to unit1 so it can be an ISAPI for production. That seems a real pain in a.. to me. How do you handle the debug issue. My second big issue is understandint the way a module gets invoked for debug. When i test under D5, i have IE in my "toos" menu and it has parameters that point at my website (test version) so that when I test, I test all the way through the web site .. from "home page" to invoking the ISAPI to signing on and running the ISAPI and then signing off and getting the home page back. THat way I dont get any surprises when I move to production. So .. 2 issues ... debug units vs production units .... and ... how do I start my "index.htm" from the debugger window ?? I admit I am too lazy and two old to dig this out for myself.. surely someone else has figured this out .. Regards, Del Back to top Richard Bakos Guest Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 3:57 am    Post subject: Re: D7 or D8 and Webbroker convervsion Del Murray wrote: Hi Del, Quote: Hi Rich,,, long time since we swapped emails .. Ages! ;-) Quote: That seems a real pain in a.. to me. How do you handle the debug issue. I don't use the WebApp debugger, I think it's terrible. I debug directly under IIS using the method that Alef discovered. Here's the short-ish version - Set the Application Protection of the web site's "scripts" folder to "High". Open Component Services (Com+) and drill down to - Computers -> My Computer -> Com+ Applications. Once you're there you should see an object named - IIS-{<websitename>//Root/scripts}. Right click and get the properties of that object. Find the Application ID, highlight it and copy it. Paste that ApplicationID into the Parameters field of the Run Parameters dialog in Delphi. Perpend the ApplicationId with /ProcessId: Like this - /ProcessId:{536FAEB3-CCEF-48F8-A29B-8A804D05790C} Now find dllhost.exe on your system and copy it into the same directory as your ISAPI. Add that path to the Host Application field of the Run Parameters in your Delphi project. Like this - C:\Inetpub\Scripts\dllhost.exe Set beak points and debug! This method has always worked well for me but the downside is that you need to stop/start IIS everytime you make a change to your ISAPI unless you are using the ISAPI Loader from eggcentric - http://www.eggcentric.com/ISAPILoader.htm Quote: So .. 2 issues ... debug units vs production units .... and ... how do I start my "index.htm" from the debugger window ?? I'm not sure I understand what you are asking here. Since index.htm isn't part of the ISAPI, do you *really* need to start there? In any case, I have my websites setup in such a way that the ISAPI handles all the requests and I don't use and index.html file. You can always reach me via email - rbakos (at) gmail (dot) com Rich Bakos Back to top Del Murray Guest Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:59 am    Post subject: Re: D7 or D8 and Webbroker convervsion Rich, Thanks much .. I'll try that. I assume that it works under WinXP Pro ??? I am not about to switch to Vista .. no patience left. I pass a couple of parameters to my ISAPI to tell it whether it is supposed to look like application X or application Y when it runs (different skins so to speak). I also tell it whether it is starting in HTTPS or not. I guess I could just do that with a URL and it would work fine. I need the first web page it builds to be in HTTPS mode in production because that is the app sign on screen. I vaguely remember the technique you described from sometime back but did not think to research it. I will dink you with an email if I get stuck but promise not to be a pest .... and I could return the favor some day too. Best regards, Del PS .. Email me a Del (dot) Murrray @ CreditHawk (dot) Net and let me know where you are working these days. Back to top Mark Horrocks Guest Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:11 am    Post subject: Re: D7 or D8 and Webbroker convervsion Quote: I have my websites setup in such a way that the ISAPI handles all the requests and I don't use and index.html file. How do you get google to index your site? Cloaking? This is the main reason I have not done the same thing. Mark Horrocks Back to top Richard Bakos Guest Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:24 pm    Post subject: Re: D7 or D8 and Webbroker convervsion Mark Horrocks wrote: Hi Mark, Quote: How do you get google to index your site? Cloaking? This is the main reason I have not done the same thing. Since the ISAPI handles all the requests for the site, my URL's look like this: www.site.com/link1, www.site.com/link2, etc. So yes, the dll is cloaked. I use an asset server to serve up CSS and images. Rich Bakos Back to top Richard Bakos Guest Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:33 pm    Post subject: Re: D7 or D8 and Webbroker convervsion Richard Bakos wrote: Quote: Since the ISAPI handles all the requests for the site, my URL's look like this: www.site.com/link1, www.site.com/link2, etc. So yes, the dll is cloaked. I use an asset server to serve up CSS and images. I should add that this site is internal so indexing isn't a problem for us. If it were public I would use an index file and a URL rewriter to cloak the dll so the links still looked like what I typed above. Rich Bakos Back to top Richard Bakos Guest Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:35 pm    Post subject: Re: D7 or D8 and Webbroker convervsion Del Murray wrote: Hi Del, Quote: Thanks much .. I'll try that. I assume that it works under WinXP Pro ??? I am not about to switch to Vista .. no patience left. Yes, it works on XP Pro. Quote: I pass a couple of parameters to my ISAPI to tell it whether it is supposed to look like application X or application Y when it runs (different skins so to speak). I also tell it whether it is starting in HTTPS or not. I guess I could just do that with a URL and it would work fine. I need the first web page it builds to be in HTTPS mode in production because that is the app sign on screen. Yup, that should work for you. Quote: I will dink you with an email if I get stuck but promise not to be a pest .... and I could return the favor some day too. No problem. ;-) Quote: PS .. Email me a Del (dot) Murrray @ CreditHawk (dot) Net and let me know where you are working these days. I'll do that. Rich Bakos Back to top Del Murray Guest Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 7:30 pm    Post subject: Re: D7 or D8 and Webbroker convervsion Rich, Just curious ... are you sticking to Webbroker or have you ventured into ..Net and Intraweb etc ?? I cant find any reason to justify the learning required to move to .Net ... Del Back to top Richard Bakos Guest Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:23 pm    Post subject: Re: D7 or D8 and Webbroker convervsion Del Murray wrote: Quote: Just curious ... are you sticking to Webbroker or have you ventured into ..Net and Intraweb etc ?? I cant find any reason to justify the learning required to move to .Net ... We have prototyped several things in .Net, Java and Ruby on Rails. I don't do too much development anymore and the people that work in my group are much smarter than me. At this point our internal web development is being maintained in Delphi until a decision is made regarding technology/framework. We have done 2 small public facing sites in Rails and are impressed by the speed of the dev cycle but are concerned that it won't meet our requirements internally. Rich Bakos Back to top Del Murray Guest Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 5:29 am    Post subject: Re: D7 or D8 and Webbroker convervsion Thanks, I'm sort of thinking the same ... Webbroker has proven too durable and too fast to give it up yet. Back to top Mark Horrocks Guest Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 8:11 am    Post subject: Re: D7 or D8 and Webbroker convervsion Quote: I'm sort of thinking the same ... Webbroker has proven too durable and too fast to give it up yet. Me too, it may take a little longer but I my income comes from user subscriptions so I have never had to worry about a development time / charging cycle. With Web broker you need to get down and dirty with the html and javascript but you get exactly what you want in the end. I believe that much of the work is in the design of the user interface anyway and no framework can do that for you. My recent forays into Ajax have also reduced the development complexity and time, no more tags and flags to return a short message like "item xxx has been added to your cart!". The big downside for web broker is ISAPI and my MIDAS/RDM exes. They have to run under windows - Resurrect Kylix! Back to top Del Murray Guest Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 6:55 pm    Post subject: Re: D7 or D8 and Webbroker convervsion Amen brother .. Amen Back to top Nils Boedeker Guest Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 8:11 am    Post subject: Re: D7 or D8 and Webbroker convervsion Hi, Quote: Can anybody share a good process for moving webbroker ISAPI modules from D5 to D7 or D2006 ? I'm not sure how much longer my NT4 workstation is going to last.. its great for debugging under D5 but is getting pretty old by now. I want to be able to debug and compile for production without having to swap module names around. Would be willing to pay for some consulting time to get on my system with me using with GoToMyPC or NetMeeting and help set it up. If there is another group that this belongs in , pleas advise as I havent posted here in a long time. I debug ISAPIs with D7, 2006, 2007 without any problems... 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