BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  MVP questions          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi OO design View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Brad White Guest Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 11:03 pm    Post subject: MVP questions 1. Is anyone besides Joanna using her MVP framework? http://www.carterconsulting.org.uk/ Why or why not? Any reason not, besides it is very involved? 2. Joanna, seemed like you were adjusting the framework as you went in the articles. Is that because you were trimming it down to be able to present it, or because it wasn't a fully formed thought when you wrote it? 3. In Delphi, do you really add an interface to all GUI components that you need to update? Seems like that means wrapping almost every component before we can use it. Is there someone that has done this or are we all starting from scratch? 4. What else have you had to add to the framework since this writing several years ago? Thanks, Brad. Back to top Joao Morais Guest Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 11:39 pm    Post subject: Re: MVP questions Brad White wrote: Quote: 1. Is anyone besides Joanna using her MVP framework? http://www.carterconsulting.org.uk/ Yes (or no?). I read the articles in order to understand the concept and implemented my own classes. Quote: Why or why not? Because I want: - forms without code -- specially BO related; - presentation rules that I can reuse; - to configure forms using only one line per attribute; - to create customized presentation classes without change the base (inside the framework); - port the code to another compiler (free pascal) and perhaps another widgetset (eg msegui); - another one that I probably forgot to describe here. Quote: Is there someone that has done this or are we all starting from scratch? Afaik the problem is that there aren't stable and open source projects implemented in object pascal (let me know if I am wrong), /but/ you have at least three pt-br projects under development. You can join to one of them if you like how it is being implemented. One of them is PressObjects. -- Joao Morais Back to top Joanna Carter [TeamB] Guest Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 11:51 pm    Post subject: Re: MVP questions Brad White a écrit : Quote: 1. Is anyone besides Joanna using her MVP framework? http://www.carterconsulting.org.uk/ Brad, those articles were very early, almost blog like thoughts on what I was doing at the time. Quote: 2. Joanna, seemed like you were adjusting the framework as you went in the articles. Is that because you were trimming it down to be able to present it, or because it wasn't a fully formed thought when you wrote it? I never really got the framework fully developed for Delphi as my client decided that it was far better to move to .NET 2.0 due to considerations like generics, etc which have really helped to reduce our codebase. Quote: 3. In Delphi, do you really add an interface to all GUI components that you need to update? Seems like that means wrapping almost every component before we can use it. Eventually, I found that the best way to cope with Delphi's lack of object-aware controls was to create wrapper classes which implemented IView and that took the UI control as a constructor parameter. The wrapper class "translated" the Delphi control's declaration into what the MVP required and it was to this wrapper class that the Interactor was attached. Quote: Is there someone that has done this or are we all starting from scratch? The framework I now use has really changed due to .NET but still the same elements of the MVP pattern have remained. Although, as I said in another post today, I now don't create Presenters for the property classes, mainly because I no longer need to use wrapper classes for the UI controls as I did for Delphi for Win32. Quote: 4. What else have you had to add to the framework since this writing several years ago? I don't think I have added anything; rather trimmed it down. The greatest change has been the realisation that it is only possible to create things like Interactors, the Selection and CommandSet as reusable classes. Other parts like the Model and Presenter seem to end up being more of a design pattern and the View ends up being more of a concept, represented by a UI control, especially in .NET. 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