BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Borland, how about open sourcing JB2006?          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> JBuilder IDE View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Patrick J. Maloney Guest Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 2:25 am    Post subject: Borland, how about open sourcing JB2006? With JB2007, it appears you're asking your customers to get lost. My attempts to use Eclipse in the past were frustrating, to say the least. It is no different with JB2007 for which updates continue to fail with nothing other than an "update failed" error message or the update process says "package certificate recognized" and then goes on to fail saying "package certificate not recognized". Been at it for two days and I've had enough of this crap. I've been using JB since version 4 (1999) and it's been steadily getting better and better. JB2006 is a great product. Now, we have 2007, which is not. Most of the features I use are gone. What the hell were you thinking? Manual generation of WAR files? Hell, if I need to write Ant scripts for everything now, why do I need your product? If you want to abandon the product, fine. How about open sourcing 2006 so those of us who like it can still use it? -- Patrick Maloney New York State Workers' Compensation Board (Remove REMOVE from e-mail address to reply) Back to top David Orriss Jr [TeamB] Guest Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 8:13 am    Post subject: Re: Borland, how about open sourcing JB2006? Patrick J. Maloney wrote: Quote: If you want to abandon the product, fine. How about open sourcing 2006 so those of us who like it can still use it? We'll pass your suggestions and thoughts along. -- David Orriss Jr. [TeamB] http://www.codethought.com * Please limit all responses to the newsgroups. Thanks! * My blog: http://codethought.com/blog Save yourself some time and check these sites: Borland Newsgroup Search: http://www.borland.com/newsgroups/ngsearch.html Joi Ellis's Faq-O-Matic: http://www.visi.com/~gyles19/fom-serve/cache/1.html Back to top Doychin Bondzhev Guest Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 1:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Borland, how about open sourcing JB2006? I asked that same question few times when there were talks about JBuilder and the answer in most of the times was that this probably won't happen. Doychin Patrick J. Maloney wrote: Quote: With JB2007, it appears you're asking your customers to get lost. My attempts to use Eclipse in the past were frustrating, to say the least. It is no different with JB2007 for which updates continue to fail with nothing other than an "update failed" error message or the update process says "package certificate recognized" and then goes on to fail saying "package certificate not recognized". Been at it for two days and I've had enough of this crap. I've been using JB since version 4 (1999) and it's been steadily getting better and better. JB2006 is a great product. Now, we have 2007, which is not. Most of the features I use are gone. What the hell were you thinking? Manual generation of WAR files? Hell, if I need to write Ant scripts for everything now, why do I need your product? If you want to abandon the product, fine. How about open sourcing 2006 so those of us who like it can still use it? Back to top mdR Guest Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Borland, how about open sourcing JB2006? On Apr 17, 4:25 pm, "Patrick J. Maloney" <patrick.malo...@wcb.stREMOVEate.ny.us> wrote: Quote: With JB2007, it appears you're asking your customers to get lost. My attempts to use Eclipse in the past were frustrating, to say the least. It is no different with JB2007 for which updates continue to fail with nothing other than an "update failed" error message or the update process says "package certificate recognized" and then goes on to fail saying "package certificate not recognized". Been at it for two days and I've had enough of this crap. I've been using JB since version 4 (1999) and it's been steadily getting better and better. JB2006 is a great product. Now, we have 2007, which is not. Most of the features I use are gone. What the hell were you thinking? Manual generation of WAR files? Hell, if I need to write Ant scripts for everything now, why do I need your product? If you want to abandon the product, fine. How about open sourcing 2006 so those of us who like it can still use it? -- Patrick Maloney New York State Workers' Compensation Board (Remove REMOVE from e-mail address to reply) I have just upgraded from JBuilderX to 2007. Now it seems I have to learn a new gui all over...arggg! What concerns me is: What if they decide to change to yet a different gui in the next release? This is such a major change it's wasting a lot of time just trying to find comparable tasks. Like creating a JAR file? huh? And, it took me a long while digging thru help just to find how to get the visual development window! And why do they have 2006 on the same CD? This ~really bothers me. I've never seen anyone include a previous version on an upgrade CD. So now I'm not sure if I should learn the Eclipse environment with 2007, load 2006 and wait for '08 or what. I want to spend my time with Java, not a gui. -mark Back to top Doychin Bondzhev Guest Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Borland, how about open sourcing JB2006? The reason to have JB 2006 in the package is that 2007 does not import all project types supported from JBuilder versions prior 2007. So if you upgrade from JBuilder 2005 or prior version and you are one of those lucky users that have package which can't be imported directly into 2007 you can still use 2006 to work with your project. Doychin mdR wrote: Quote: On Apr 17, 4:25 pm, "Patrick J. Maloney" patrick.malo...@wcb.stREMOVEate.ny.us> wrote: With JB2007, it appears you're asking your customers to get lost. My attempts to use Eclipse in the past were frustrating, to say the least. It is no different with JB2007 for which updates continue to fail with nothing other than an "update failed" error message or the update process says "package certificate recognized" and then goes on to fail saying "package certificate not recognized". Been at it for two days and I've had enough of this crap. I've been using JB since version 4 (1999) and it's been steadily getting better and better. JB2006 is a great product. Now, we have 2007, which is not. Most of the features I use are gone. What the hell were you thinking? Manual generation of WAR files? Hell, if I need to write Ant scripts for everything now, why do I need your product? If you want to abandon the product, fine. How about open sourcing 2006 so those of us who like it can still use it? -- Patrick Maloney New York State Workers' Compensation Board (Remove REMOVE from e-mail address to reply) I have just upgraded from JBuilderX to 2007. Now it seems I have to learn a new gui all over...arggg! What concerns me is: What if they decide to change to yet a different gui in the next release? This is such a major change it's wasting a lot of time just trying to find comparable tasks. Like creating a JAR file? huh? And, it took me a long while digging thru help just to find how to get the visual development window! And why do they have 2006 on the same CD? This ~really bothers me. I've never seen anyone include a previous version on an upgrade CD. So now I'm not sure if I should learn the Eclipse environment with 2007, load 2006 and wait for '08 or what. I want to spend my time with Java, not a gui. -mark Back to top Howard Brazee Guest Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 6:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Borland, how about open sourcing JB2006? On 18 Apr 2007 05:33:43 -0700, mdR <mrafn (AT) lakenet (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: I have just upgraded from JBuilderX to 2007. Now it seems I have to learn a new gui all over...arggg! The hardest part of an applications development system like JBuilder is learning the environment (there are files all over the place that I need to learn to know what's happening to my code). The second hardest is learning the GUI. Back to top Patrick J. Maloney Guest Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 10:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Borland, how about open sourcing JB2006? mdR <mrafn (AT) lakenet (DOT) com> wrote in news:1176899623.652277.253550 (AT) p77g2000hsh (DOT) googlegroups.com: Quote: And why do they have 2006 on the same CD? This ~really bothers me. I've never seen anyone include a previous version on an upgrade CD. So now I'm not sure if I should learn the Eclipse environment with 2007, load 2006 and wait for '08 or what. I want to spend my time with Java, not a gui. Between X and 2006, they added a few things that helped me out (IIRC, signing of jars and they fixed a few content dependency things that made 2006 properly add classes to jars), so 2006 might help you out. -- Patrick Maloney New York State Workers' Compensation Board (Remove REMOVE from e-mail address to reply) Back to top Patrick J. Maloney Guest Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 10:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Borland, how about open sourcing JB2006? Howard Brazee <howard (AT) brazee (DOT) net> wrote in news:lu6c23ptsbi99ldjbg4kru9ddso6lc2d0g (AT) 4ax (DOT) com: Quote: On 18 Apr 2007 05:33:43 -0700, mdR <mrafn (AT) lakenet (DOT) com> wrote: I have just upgraded from JBuilderX to 2007. Now it seems I have to learn a new gui all over...arggg! The hardest part of an applications development system like JBuilder is learning the environment (there are files all over the place that I need to learn to know what's happening to my code). The second hardest is learning the GUI. The hardest part of going from 2006 to 2007 is figuring out how to do all those nice things that 2006 did that 2007 does not. 2007 is a joke...Enterprise edition $2000?!? For what? Okay, I see it now...half the price of 2006 with half the features. I have to believe this was an executive decision to save money. No development team would suggest making these changes. -- Patrick Maloney New York State Workers' Compensation Board (Remove REMOVE from e-mail address to reply) Back to top B.C. Guest Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 8:13 am    Post subject: Re: Borland, how about open sourcing JB2006? I second you opinion, Patrick. I had to move from JBuilder 2006 to Eclipse (it was imposed by the client) before JBuilder 2007 was released, and I must tell you Eclipse sucks compared to JBuilder 2006. Hard to navigate around, hard to find the information in the help, cryptic errors (once I could not open the help because the eclipse help uses the micro$oft web control and I had to reboot my computer) plus things don't always work quite exactly and you have to repeat them!! I spent a lot of time trying to find every little thing that I wanted to change in their bloody preferences dialog. Eclipse is like a coat that was patched and patched that you don't even see the original material. And when I saw that JBuilder 2007 comes on top of Eclipse my jaw dropped. Why would I pay thousands of $ when everything else in Eclipse is open source and free?!! Lots of goodies from 2006 are now gone. No DataExpress library. No dbSwing. So, if at least this is the path they're going, as Patrick suggested, make JBuilder 2006 open source. Back to top mdR Guest Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 6:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Borland, how about open sourcing JB2006? On Apr 21, 3:05 am, "B.C." <b...@y.com> wrote: Quote: snip Lots of goodies from 2006 are now gone. No DataExpress library. No dbSwing. omg--I hadn't even noticed that yet! So I just test imported a previous project with dbswing components and sure, the libraries where created and such but that's it. No properties listings, methods help, nothing on dbswing components. Looked all over Borland site and CodeGear--don't even mention DataExpress on JBuilder2007. Silly me... I just assumed on an upgrade... So...maybe I installed wrong(?) When I installed, I deselected JDataStore7 as it was already installed from previous, independent install. Did it miss something doing that? Anyone know what Borland's plan is on DataExpress? Is it just too early for 2007 and a patch is coming for JDataStore stuff? or what? (Borland Team--jump in here please :) Too many questions--Looks like I'm forced to jump back to 2006. 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