BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Ping ISO Guys Goto page 1, 2  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> C++ Builder (Language C++) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message JD Guest Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 7:56 am    Post subject: Ping ISO Guys I'm looking for what the standards explicitly state about local static variable allocation and storage. Could someone please point me in the right direction? ~ JD Back to top David Dean [CodeGear] Guest Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 8:10 am    Post subject: Re: Ping ISO Guys In article <4626cc3b$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com>, "JD" <nospam (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: I'm looking for what the standards explicitly state about local static variable allocation and storage. Could someone please point me in the right direction? You probably picked a bad time to ask. IIRC, the ACCU conference is going on right now. -- -David Dean CodeGear C++ QA Engineer <http://blogs.codegear.com/ddean/> Back to top JD Guest Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 8:10 am    Post subject: Re: Ping ISO Guys "David Dean [CodeGear]" <david.dean.no (AT) spam (DOT) codegear.com> wrote: Quote: You probably picked a bad time to ask. IIRC, the ACCU conference is going on right now. LOL! Just my luck! ~ JD Back to top Alan Bellingham Guest Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 8:10 am    Post subject: Re: Ping ISO Guys "David Dean [CodeGear]" <david.dean.no (AT) spam (DOT) codegear.com> wrote: Quote: You probably picked a bad time to ask. IIRC, the ACCU conference is going on right now. No, that was last week. This week, it's the ISO C++ Standards Panel meeting. Same place, though. Alan Bellingham -- Team Thai Kingdom <url:http://www.borland.com/newsgroups/> Borland newsgroup descriptions <url:http://www.borland.com/newsgroups/netiquette.html> netiquette Back to top David Dean [CodeGear] Guest Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 8:10 am    Post subject: Re: Ping ISO Guys In article <lq6e23t31ercprcnefbrjph9pi7h7qpa8a (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>, Alan Bellingham <alanb (AT) episys (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: No, that was last week. This week, it's the ISO C++ Standards Panel meeting. Same place, though. Many of the same guys too I suspect. 8-) -- -David Dean CodeGear C++ QA Engineer <http://blogs.codegear.com/ddean/> Back to top JD Guest Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 8:10 am    Post subject: Re: Ping ISO Guys Chris Uzdavinis (TeamB) <chris (AT) uzdavinis (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: Please see my reply to Leo. Thanks! ~ JD Back to top JD Guest Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 8:10 am    Post subject: Re: Ping ISO Guys Leo Siefert <lIHATESPAMsiefert (AT) senate (DOT) michigan.gov> wrote: Quote: Storage for local statics is the same as for global statics, only their visibility is local. This is paraphrased from the 2003 standard Certainly, it must be more specific(?). Quote: (not sure about quoting copyrighted material): As far as the standards, they're quoted here often. Quote: Is this what you are looking for? Between you and Chris, everything except *where* they are actually allocated from. Would you by chance know what the latest version is and where I can get it? ~ JD Back to top David Dean [CodeGear] Guest Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 12:27 am    Post subject: Re: Ping ISO Guys In article <nh7h23pqmq1fft5k1ft1knc5d7u8vvc40k (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>, Leo Siefert <lIHATESPAMsiefert (AT) senate (DOT) michigan.gov> wrote: Quote: As far as the standards, they're quoted here often. According to the Copyright notice they are in violation. Not sure about how that may be modified by the law, but it does say "no part". I believe the quoting here falls under the "Fair use" doctrine, since posters tend to quote small relevant sections with the intent to educate others. <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use> -- -David Dean CodeGear C++ QA Engineer <http://blogs.codegear.com/ddean/> Back to top Old Wolf Guest Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 3:34 am    Post subject: Re: Ping ISO Guys "JD" <nospam (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: Between you and Chris, everything except *where* they are actually allocated from. (Talking about function scope variables declared with 'static'). The C++ standard does not say 'where' anything is. Your program could be running on a punch card processor and the 'where' could be some particular card. It only specifies that the memory must remain allocated for the lifetime of the program. Someone else said that it is initialized on program startup. I don't think this is correct: it is initialized the first time that program execution reaches that line. For zero-initialized variables this is a moot point; however if the code is like: void f() { static int x = foo(); } then foo() will never be called if f() is never called. Quote: Would you by chance know what the latest version is and where I can get it? ISO/IEC 14882:2003 is the latest. You can get it from the ANSI webstore, and probably other places (JFGI). Back to top Hendrik Schober Guest Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 7:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Ping ISO Guys Chris Uzdavinis (TeamB) <chris (AT) uzdavinis (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: "Hendrik Schober" <SpamTrap (AT) gmx (DOT) de> writes: I believe the quoting here falls under the "Fair use" doctrine, since posters tend to quote small relevant sections with the intent to educate others. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use Whatever. It's regularily copied like this in some newsgroups by committee members. I'm not sure I understand your position on this. Do you disagree with "fair use"? I meant to say that, what Dean called "fair use", is also common use, even amongst the authors of the text. Schobi -- SpamTrap (AT) gmx (DOT) de is never read I'm HSchober at gmx dot org "My hope is that if more people start reading books, the world will become a better place." froarulv in afp Back to top Bob Gonder Guest Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 5:01 am    Post subject: Re: Ping ISO Guys JD wrote: Quote: Leo Siefert wrote: Storage for local statics is the same as for global statics, Certainly, it must be more specific(?). Others have said that the "specific is that the memory remain for the duration of the program. (ie. not specific at all) Since the data is not initialized by the compiler, but at runtime by the owning function, there is no reason to clutter the initialized data segment with it. The uninitialized data segment, however, would be the perfect location for it. It might be that other archetectures don't suipport uninitialized data, in which case, the Standard couldn't dictate it's use (guessing) Back to top Old Wolf Guest Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:10 am    Post subject: Re: Ping ISO Guys Leo Siefert <lIHATESPAMsiefert (AT) senate (DOT) michigan.gov> wrote: Quote: Old Wolf wrote: Someone else said that it is initialized on program startup. I don't think this is correct: it is initialized the first time initialization can be later (or never) if the compiler can determine that the lack of initialization has no effect on the execution of the program. So if it is a non-pod object compiler must be able to determine that there are no side-effects to initialization. I read the text again, it is quite convoluted. I think what it is saying is that for local static non-POD, it should be initialized the first time that execution reaches the declaration. However, if there are no side-effects of initialization then it can be done earlier. Back to top David Dean [CodeGear] Guest Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:10 am    Post subject: Re: Ping ISO Guys In article <462cc087$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com>, "Hendrik Schober" <SpamTrap (AT) gmx (DOT) de> wrote: Quote: I meant to say that, what Dean called "fair use", is also common use, even amongst the authors of the text. I don't see how those two things could be seen to be mutually exclusive. -- -David Dean CodeGear C++ QA Engineer <http://blogs.codegear.com/ddean/> Back to top Leo Siefert Guest Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 4:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Ping ISO Guys David Dean wrote: Quote: I believe the quoting here falls under the "Fair use" doctrine, Fair use is always subject to interpretation in different situations. The classic fair use scenario is using quotes for a review or analysis of the copyrighted material. But even in educational settings there have been suits based on "handouts" containing copyrighted material for study. If, for instance, I were to be open to responding to any question like the OP here with the relevant sections quoted from the standards document, then I would be essentially serving as an intelligent search engine. Such a service could easily be seen as cutting into the potential market for sales of the document. More likely, though, if Borland/CodeGear were to encourage this type of responses in this newsgroup and it were to become known that one could generally get quoted sections of the document by posting a request to this group they could be subject to a law suit. - Leo Back to top Leo Siefert Guest Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 4:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Ping ISO Guys Hendrik Schober wrote: Quote: Whatever. It's regularily copied like this in some newsgroups by committee members. Sometimes, but then they are not the copyright holders. The copyright is owned by ISO/IEC/ANSI/ITI, and that's who decides whether or not to file a suit. Legally, they probably have the right to sue members of the committee as well - depending upon the terms of the contract with them. - Leo Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> C++ Builder (Language C++) All times are GMT Goto page 1, 2  Next Page 1 of 2   Jump to: Select a forum C++ Builder Newsgroups----------------C++ BuilderC++ Builder (ActiveX)C++ Builder (Announcements)C++ Builder (Command Line Tools)C++ Builder DatabasesC++ Builder Databases (ADO)C++ Builder Databases (Desktop)C++ Builder Databases (InterBase Express)C++ Builder Databases (Multi-Tier)C++ Builder Databases (SQL Servers)C++ Builder (Graphics)C++ Builder (IDE)C++ Builder (Internet)C++ Builder (Internet Socket)C++ Builder (Internet Web)C++ Builder (Jobs)C++ Builder (Language)C++ Builder (Language C++)C++ Builder (Compatibility with MFC)C++ Builder (Native API)C++ Builder (Non-Technical)C++ Builder (Students)C++ Builder (Third Party Tools)C++ Builder (Upgrade)C++ Builder (VCL)C++ Builder (VCL Components Usage)C++ Builder (VCL Components Development)C++ Builder (VCL Usage)C++ Builder (WinAPI)C++ Builder Installation Delphi Newsgroups----------------Delphi (General)Delphi ActiveX Controls UsageDelphi ActiveX Controls DevelopmentDelphi As400Delphi DatabasesDelphi Databases (ADO)Delphi Databases (dbExpress)Delphi Databases (Desktop)Delphi Databases (InterBase Express)Delphi Databases (Multi-Tier)Delphi Databases (SQL Servers)Delphi DeploymentDelphi GraphicsDelphi IDEDelphi InternationalizationDelphi InternetDelphi Internet Isapi-WebBrokerDelphi Internet WebSnapDelphi Internet WinsockDelphi JobsDelphi Language BASMDelphi Language ObjectPascalDelphi Model Driven Architecture (General)Delphi Model Driven Architecture (Third Party)Delphi MultimediaDelphi Native APIDelphi Non-TechnicalDelphi ObjectPascalDelphi OLE AutomationDelphi OO designDelphi OpenToolsAPIDelphi Reporting-ChartingDelphi RTLDelphi StudentsDelphi TeamSourceDelphi Thirdparty ToolsDelphi Thirdparty Tools (General)Delphi Thirdparty Tools (IntraWeb)Delphi Thirdparty Tools (RaveReports)Delphi UpgradeDelphi VCLDelphi VCL ComponentsDelphi VCL Components UsingDelphi VCL Components WritingDelphi WebServices SOAPDelphi WinAPIDelphi XMLDelphi Installationcomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.misccomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.usagecomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.writingcomp.lang.pascal.delphi.databasescomp.lang.pascal.delphi.misccomp.sources.delphi JBuilder Newsgroups----------------JBuilderJBuilder AnnouncementsJBuilder Applet IssuesJBuilder As400JBuilder CompilerJBuilder CORBA/RMIJBuilder DatabasesJBuilder DB SwingJBuilder DebuggerJBuilder DeploymentJBuilder DocumentationJBuilder EnterpriseJBuilder HandheldJBuilder IDEJBuilder JavaJBuilder JavaAPIJBuilder Java LanguageJBuilder Java SwingJBuilder Java BeansJBuilder Java Beans UsageJBuilder Java Beans DevelopmentJBuilder JBCLJBuilder JDataStoreJBuilder JobsJBuilder LinuxJBuilder MacintoshJBuilder & MobileSetJBuilder MultiLingual AppsJBuilder Non-TechnicalJBuilder OpenToolsJBuilder Servlets (JSP)JBuilder StudentsJBuilder Team DevelopmentJBuilder Thirdparty ToolsJBuilder UpgradeJBuilder Installation InterBase Newsgroups----------------InterBaseInterBase Bug DiscussionInterBase GeneralInterBase IBConsoleInterBase OpenSourceInterBase ReplicationInterBase SQLInterBase ThirdpartyInterBase Installation Miscellaneous Borland Newsgroups----------------AppCenterAppServerEnteraVisiBroker  You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2006 phpBB Group SEO toolkit © 2004-2006 webmedic.