BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  What's new? Goto page 1, 2  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Internet Isapi-WebBroker View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Mark Horrocks Guest Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 9:12 am    Post subject: What's new? I notice there are an average 5 posts a month in isapi web broker. The question has been asked before but where is everybody? The answer then is that web broker is a mature technology and no one has a need to ask quertions anymore. That would certainly be my experience, but what is everybody using nowadays? Maybe intraweb? As for myself, I have such a large base of code that i can just use my favourite programming tool (cut/paste) and pretty much get what I need and so have never needed to explore intraweb. My one expedition into web snap was a bit reminiscent of the paradox framework so I didn't bother to go down that path. I have one substantial app which uses internet express with some mods or just plain HTML with javascript and MDWeb for session management and that is all I need. But I am getting bored....what's everyone using? Back to top AdamStefanCosta Guest Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 4:14 am    Post subject: Re: What's new? Hi Mark!!! I'm using InternetExpress in a large application ( > 300 actions ). I build a of mods on it (xmldb & xmldisp), and for me, it's the best way to develop "desktop-like" Internet apps. XML Recordsets in a event-driven programming on client-side, it's all I need to explore all potential of Document Object Model (DOM) to produce uniques Web-Interfaces! I have dynamic dbgrids...dynamic dbtreeviews...checkboxes(!!! yes it's possible !!!)custom renders...AJAX-like features to request XML packets...It's a unique framework! Recently I convert my old ApplicationServer from BDE (*&^#*^%@&^%$&@$&^%) to ADO, and the app has become to more powerfull, and I get real response-times improvements... I'm so happy that other developers still using InternetExpress, instead of Borland posture about it...Why Borland??? Any Team-B can explain what happens with IE evolution? There are any Team-B listen us on this NG??? I, a poor developer, was capable to improve InternetExpress myself, so imagine what Borland-Team can do??? I think that we r alone on this NG... :( How about a InternetExpress-AJAX integration? With Borland support, we must handle this alone!!! Don't get bored... Long Life to InternetExpress and to the best programming tool (copy'n'paste)!!! AdamStefanCosta InternetExpress++ Evangelist (ehehehehehehehe) "Mark Horrocks" <markhorrocks (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:45616974 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: I notice there are an average 5 posts a month in isapi web broker. The question has been asked before but where is everybody? The answer then is that web broker is a mature technology and no one has a need to ask quertions anymore. That would certainly be my experience, but what is everybody using nowadays? Maybe intraweb? As for myself, I have such a large base of code that i can just use my favourite programming tool (cut/paste) and pretty much get what I need and so have never needed to explore intraweb. My one expedition into web snap was a bit reminiscent of the paradox framework so I didn't bother to go down that path. I have one substantial app which uses internet express with some mods or just plain HTML with javascript and MDWeb for session management and that is all I need. But I am getting bored....what's everyone using? Back to top Wilbert van Leijen Guest Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 9:11 am    Post subject: Re: What's new? Mark Horrocks wrote: Quote: But I am getting bored....what's everyone using? Script, and WebBroker. A few former ISAPI modules were converted to CGI - mostly reporting. Back to top Mark Horrocks Guest Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 9:11 am    Post subject: Re: What's new? Well that's refreshing to know I am not the last using web broker! It may not be as RAD as Intraweb but once you have a library of stuff it does give good control. I could do with some of the fancier stuff such as as data aware grids. I will also have another look at Intraweb with the Ajax stuff added in, I wasn't aware of that. "Wilbert van Leijen" <fargo_ (AT) xs4all (DOT) nl> wrote in message news:4563ef8b$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: Mark Horrocks wrote: But I am getting bored....what's everyone using? Script, and WebBroker. A few former ISAPI modules were converted to CGI - mostly reporting. Back to top AdamStefanCosta Guest Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 5:49 pm    Post subject: Re: What's new? Hi Mark... What mods do u make in Internet Express? "Mark Horrocks" <markhorrocks (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:4563f93c (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: Well that's refreshing to know I am not the last using web broker! It may not be as RAD as Intraweb but once you have a library of stuff it does give good control. I could do with some of the fancier stuff such as as data aware grids. I will also have another look at Intraweb with the Ajax stuff added in, I wasn't aware of that. "Wilbert van Leijen" <fargo_ (AT) xs4all (DOT) nl> wrote in message news:4563ef8b$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Mark Horrocks wrote: But I am getting bored....what's everyone using? Script, and WebBroker. A few former ISAPI modules were converted to CGI - mostly reporting. Back to top Dan Downs Guest Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 12:07 am    Post subject: Re: What's new? Most of the web stuff I write is still webbroker apache dso modules. Lately I've been playing around with Intraweb Pagemode forms and find it to be a really nice way to do admin forms and still have other webbroker actions for serving content. I'm hoping to convert an older intraweb appmode project into pagemode and merge it with another webbroker project, if it works I'll have the best of both worlds. DD Back to top Mark Horrocks Guest Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 9:08 am    Post subject: Re: What's new? Quote: What mods do u make in Internet Express? 1. Made a modification to linkfields.pas as per some instructions I found to allow buttons to get the record PK. 2. Installed the InetXCustom componenets from Demos/Midas/InternetExpress. I have not done any custom mods, haven't needed to. I note that Borland never fixed linkfields.pas from Delphi 5 to 7 Back to top Mark Horrocks Guest Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 9:11 am    Post subject: Re: What's new? Quote: . I'm hoping to convert an older intraweb appmode project into pagemode and merge it with another webbroker project, if it works I'll have the best of both worlds. Please give us some feedback here on how it goes. I'd love to know. I have considered trying to port my 300+ action ISAPI to Intraweb. Mark www.sportdata.com.au Back to top William Egge Guest Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 8:34 pm    Post subject: Re: What's new? I use WebBroker but I use it only to get the web request and do not use its Page Producers the way they were intended and use the actions only to get the request. I have my own architecture, here it is: I have basically one action that accepts *.xsl. My page generation is done by XSL because it is much more powerful than tag replacement in PageProducers. My application is made of many XSL pages on the hard drive, these XSL pages have an embedded tag into them named "uses" which is a comma delimited list of XML section names required by that page. for instance UsesData="user,product" which would create 2 nodes, a user data node that might contain their name and security level and product which would contain a product information node. So when a user requests page abc.xsl then my isapi loads it, parses out the uses tag then builds the xml structure then calls MSoft MSXML to run the xsl page. For form submitting, I use a hidden tag name _Command. Anytime a form is submitted, my isapi reads the value of this tag and then executes a routine based on the value. For instance _Command="UpdateUser", or _Command="SendMail". I also get a little fancier, my pre-processor allows the insertion of dynamic XSL code. Meaning that I can have a tag name <#CompanyDropDown list="01, 05, 30"> and then my delphi code inserts XSL code to create the drop down list and select the active one. -Bill Egge ISAPI Tools http://www.eggcentric.com "Mark Horrocks" <markhorrocks (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:45616974 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: I notice there are an average 5 posts a month in isapi web broker. The question has been asked before but where is everybody? The answer then is that web broker is a mature technology and no one has a need to ask quertions anymore. That would certainly be my experience, but what is everybody using nowadays? Maybe intraweb? As for myself, I have such a large base of code that i can just use my favourite programming tool (cut/paste) and pretty much get what I need and so have never needed to explore intraweb. My one expedition into web snap was a bit reminiscent of the paradox framework so I didn't bother to go down that path. I have one substantial app which uses internet express with some mods or just plain HTML with javascript and MDWeb for session management and that is all I need. But I am getting bored....what's everyone using? Back to top Nils Boedeker Guest Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 9:11 am    Post subject: Re: What's new? Hi, the feature we uses most in delphi are Webbroker (and IBX) to build our own CMS (with more than 50 Webpages) Quote: The answer then is that web broker is a mature technology and no one has a need to ask The webbroker is not "mature". This technic is uses and - is stable and approved - so there is no much problems (for my choice), and because of this no much questions. Intraweb I don't uses... ASP.NET is (for my choice) not stable and don't have the performance of Webbroker. with best regards Nils Bödeker -- _________________________________ Verlag Eugen Ulmer Datenbanken und IT-Entwicklung Nils Bödeker Bürgerwohlsweg 7 D-28215 Bremen Germany Tel: +49 (0)421 - 3795020 Fax: +49 (0)421 - 3795021 Mobil: +49 (0) 172 - 7468066 nboedeker (AT) ulmer (DOT) de www.ulmer.de / www.nbsoft.de yahoo ID: nilsboedeker Skype ID: nilsboedeker ICQ ID: 206474523 Quote: I notice there are an average 5 posts a month in isapi web broker. The question has been asked before but where is everybody? The answer then is that web broker is a mature technology and no one has a need to ask quertions anymore. That would certainly be my experience, but what is everybody using nowadays? Maybe intraweb? As for myself, I have such a large base of code that i can just use my favourite programming tool (cut/paste) and pretty much get what I need and so have never needed to explore intraweb. My one expedition into web snap was a bit reminiscent of the paradox framework so I didn't bother to go down that path. I have one substantial app which uses internet express with some mods or just plain HTML with javascript and MDWeb for session management and that is all I need. But I am getting bored....what's everyone using? Back to top Mark Horrocks Guest Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 4:33 pm    Post subject: Re: What's new? Quote: I have basically one action that accepts *.xsl. My page generation is done by XSL because it is much more powerful than tag replacement in PageProducers. Thanks guys for the encouraging replies. I had become a little disappointed by the disparaging comments about Delphi dying but it seems this is obviously not the case. William, your tecnique of using XSL pages is very interesting. I had thought some time ago that this would be the way to go but the learning curve was a little steep for me polus the need to use the MSXML parser. I have very little experience in this area, restricted to using Javascript and HTML for my page output. Should you ever find time, I would really appreciate it if you could write some guidelines on where and how to achieve this, maybe some pointers to some reading that could show me how to get going with this. Cheers Mark www.sportdata.com.au anyone interested can log in with a user name and password of horrocks to see what I have done, criticism and abuse welcome. If too much traffic hits the server I will just cancel the login! Back to top William Egge Guest Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 7:38 pm    Post subject: Re: What's new? Does your post have your correct email address? I can send you an email if I ever create a how to. -Bill Back to top Mark Horrocks Guest Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 8:20 am    Post subject: Re: What's new? Yes, It's markhorrocks (AT) yahoo (DOT) com. Thanks for the offer Bill! Mark "William Egge" <begge (AT) eggcentric (DOT) com> wrote in message news:4566f5b2$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: Does your post have your correct email address? I can send you an email if I ever create a how to. -Bill Back to top Del Murray Guest Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 3:27 pm    Post subject: Re: What's new? Mark, I use the heck out of webbroker up thru D2007 which I am now converting to. Its a bit tricky debuggin in the new XP environment so I even run a VMWare NT4 partition to debug in because it's just so convenient. I'm going to eventually have to change debugging techniques but would **never** switch from Webbroker. It is just too fast and I have absolute control over what happens. My app is large and complex and my response time is sub-second with webbroker. I develope screens with DreamWeaver and use ADO against MS SqlServer and .. yes it gets boring .. but it always works and I sleep at night. Del Back to top Hans van Leth Guest Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 8:11 am    Post subject: Re: What's new? Hear hear. BTW, I have no problems debugging with Web App Debugger (D7/XP, soon moving to D2007). Hans van Leth. 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