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Richard Grossman
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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 8:12 am    Post subject: No roadmap? Who cares? Reply with quote



So there's no roadmap, for whatever reason.

So who cares? The roadmap is just a curiosity, at least from the point
of view of whether my use of Delphi would be greater or less based on
the existence of a roadmap.

A roadmap could be said to have various purposes, but to be cold-blooded
and analytic about it, let's skip the part about helping customers, etc.

One could say the purpose of a roadmap is to accomplish the following
from a marketing and sales perspective:

In the face of competitors either announcing upcoming features (and
support for new technologies) that the company's product(s) don't have,
or where other competitors actually are releasing such competing
products, then the purpose of a roadmap is to keep current users from
defecting.

Given that, then were is Delphi now?

1
The majority of those who really care primarily about fast adoption of
new .Net technologies has already switched.

2
The majority of those who's business requires them to promise support
for new technologies like .Net 2.0 has also switched or partially switched.

3
The majority of those with big source-code and wetware knowledge-bases
based on Delphi have stayed.

Regarding category 3, the "embedded" users of Delphi, I would make the
following points:

A) This category will stay as long as the strategy is viable, ie it
remains cheaper, easier, and faster to remain with existing invested
Delphi technology.

B) This category can always begin to develop on both Delphi and VS
platforms, but that still keeps them continuing-purchasing customers of
Delphi.

C) Speculation about what *could* (not what *will*) bring this
category's use of Delphi to an end:

1- Lack of support for basic run functionality on a new Microsoft platform.

2- Severe breaks on a new Microsoft platform.

3- Overwhelming advantage of a new competitor (ie a future VS) that
makes it easier, cheaper, and faster to abandon the invested codebase
and move to the new competing tool than to continue to workaround the
deficiencies of the old tool.

All 3 of these, in my opinion, are years away. Items 1 & 2 are unlikely
before 2012.

Item 3 is not so predictable. One speculation would be that an upgrade
of VS makes browser-based programming as simple, manageable, and
interface-rich as the current Windows-environment, and for some
currently-unknown reason, Delphi is unable to support that.

Another speculation, more to the point, is that a new technology comes
along that at the same time presents an irresistible value proposition
to programmers nd users, yet requires an investment so large that
Borland cannot follow given its market-size and requirement to make a
profit on its products.

There is another possiblity, whether likely or not, and that is that
Microsoft's new technology will make it so easy (once again) for Borland
to offer a value-added variant of it in the Delphi market, that Delphi
will have a resurgence among the remaining user-base.

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Richard Grossman
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 8:12 am    Post subject: Re: No roadmap? Who cares? Reply with quote



GrandmasterB wrote:
Quote:
No weather forcast? Who cares!

Unless you're planning a picnic.

No weather forecasts, ever, and a statement from the weatherman that he
no longer will make forecasts?

Sounds ominous for those in the picnic-planning business.

But that's okay - all the picnic-planning businesses that depended on
weather forecasts have already moved to other businesses.

And the ones left are only those who have demonstrated repeatedly that
they are willing to get rained on !

Incentive for weatherman to resume forecasts? None.
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 8:12 am    Post subject: Re: No roadmap? Who cares? Reply with quote



David Ninnes wrote:
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It's not just the roadmap this affects though as far as I can see, it's
also any bug fixes, minor enhancements etc. can't be advertised or
promised, not without upsetting cg shareholders if there's a delay.

But did anyone actually claim that shareholders will get upset if
Borland promises bug fixes and fails to deliver them on time?
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Richard Grossman
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 8:12 am    Post subject: Re: No roadmap? Who cares? Reply with quote

Bruce McGee wrote:
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Thanks. This made me laugh.

I get a kick out of it when someone tries to speak for "the majority".

Technically, I didn't claim to speak for "the majority" - ie claiming to
speak out as a member of the majority .

What I did was analyze and categorize "the majority".

Clearly I'm not claiming to be in it or of it.

I'm in the last category, those that will keep using Delphi unless
Borland stops making it run on a major current Microsoft operating system.

That could be never. Or until I switch to shuffleboard. Whichever
comes first <g>.
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Richard Grossman
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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2007 8:12 am    Post subject: Re: No roadmap? Who cares? Reply with quote

David Ninnes wrote:
Quote:
It's not just the roadmap this affects though as far as I can see, it's
also any bug fixes, minor enhancements etc. can't be advertised or
promised, not without upsetting cg shareholders if there's a delay.

By the way, the "upsetting shareholders" theory is a brand new argument,
unrelated to compliance rules on revenue recognition.

Has the story switched again?
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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2007 8:12 am    Post subject: Re: No roadmap? Who cares? Reply with quote

Richard Grossman wrote:
Quote:
David Ninnes wrote:
It's not just the roadmap this affects though as far as I can see,
it's also any bug fixes, minor enhancements etc. can't be advertised
or promised, not without upsetting cg shareholders if there's a delay.

By the way, the "upsetting shareholders" theory is a brand new argument,
unrelated to compliance rules on revenue recognition.

Has the story switched again?
my interpretation

coming afoul of legislators = added cost = lost profits = upset
shareholders.
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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2007 8:12 am    Post subject: Re: No roadmap? Who cares? Reply with quote

By the way, the best "roadmap" in terms of what *possibilities* Borland
is thinking about has always been the questions on the surveys.
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 8:11 am    Post subject: Re: No roadmap? Who cares? Reply with quote

DerekUK wrote:
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I have Mark. In fact it is now been said SA causes no SOX/revenue
recognition issues . But what is been said now doesn't fully match
what has been said in the Past. On at least one thread on the
newsgroups when Current SA customers were still waiting several weeks
after D2007 Win32 for their fulfillments and querying it one of the
main reasons given was 'SOX Compilance' which was resulting in them
having to be done manually one by one .

I would love to see the link to that. I remember them being slow
because it was a manual process, I don't however remember it being
anything to do with SOX.

--
Robin.

Australian Bridal Accessories := http://www.bridalbuzz.com.au
Turbo for Noobs (a work in progress) := http://turbofornoobs.blogspot.com/
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 8:11 am    Post subject: Re: No roadmap? Who cares? Reply with quote

Chris Burrows wrote:
Quote:
"They have already started processing the SA's. However with this release
they have to still be processed manually one by one in a finance dept due to
some kind of SOX accounting compliance thing."

I stand corrected.

As there was still no link to a reference, here it is:
http://tinyurl.com/3aojlf

Also, the rest of the paragraph goes like this:

"We do plan to automate this for future releases, our goal is to be able
to push a button and release all the SA's at once just like eCommerce
pre-orders - but with all the new rules to abide by, we have to do it
this way for this release until a new process is built."

....Which I think adds important value to that first quote. It sounds
like it isn't so much SOX stopping them from being sent out as it meant
the process has to be changed.

--
Robin.

Australian Bridal Accessories := http://www.bridalbuzz.com.au
Turbo for Noobs (a work in progress) := http://turbofornoobs.blogspot.com/
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 8:11 am    Post subject: Re: No roadmap? Who cares? Reply with quote

On May 7, 5:34 am, "Chris Burrows" <cfbsoftw...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
"Robin" <Robin@.com> wrote in message

news:463ea37d$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com...



I would love to see the link to that. I remember them being slow because
it was a manual process, I don't however remember it being anything to do
with SOX.

Only took a few seconds to find using Google groups:

"They have already started processing the SA's. However with this release
they have to still be processed manually one by one in a finance dept due to
some kind of SOX accounting compliance thing."

Ref: Michael Swindell, Mar 20th 2007. "Got email from CodeGear support
regarding ESD"

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Chris Burrows
CFB Softwarehttp://www.cfbsoftware.com/gpcp

Yes that must have been the thread I recollected
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 8:11 am    Post subject: Re: No roadmap? Who cares? Reply with quote

"Robin" <Robin@.com> wrote in message
news:463ea37d$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com...
Quote:

I would love to see the link to that. I remember them being slow because
it was a manual process, I don't however remember it being anything to do
with SOX.


Only took a few seconds to find using Google groups:

"They have already started processing the SA's. However with this release
they have to still be processed manually one by one in a finance dept due to
some kind of SOX accounting compliance thing."

Ref: Michael Swindell, Mar 20th 2007. "Got email from CodeGear support
regarding ESD"


--
Chris Burrows
CFB Software
http://www.cfbsoftware.com/gpcp
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Robin
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 8:12 am    Post subject: Re: No roadmap? Who cares? Reply with quote

DerekUK wrote:
Quote:
No Sorry I don't concur with your conclusion now Ive reread the post
and refreshed my memory ( That I was sure wasn't failing
totally Smile) ).

Either way, for "completeness" I think it was important to get the whole
thing quoted.


--
Robin.

Australian Bridal Accessories := http://www.bridalbuzz.com.au
Turbo for Noobs (a work in progress) := http://turbofornoobs.blogspot.com/
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 8:12 am    Post subject: Re: No roadmap? Who cares? Reply with quote

On May 7, 6:04 am, Robin <Robin@.com> wrote:
Quote:
Chris Burrows wrote:
"They have already started processing the SA's. However with this release
they have to still be processed manually one by one in a finance dept due to
some kind of SOX accounting compliance thing."

I stand corrected.

As there was still no link to a reference, here it is:http://tinyurl.com/3aojlf

Also, the rest of the paragraph goes like this:

"We do plan to automate this for future releases, our goal is to be able
to push a button and release all the SA's at once just like eCommerce
pre-orders - but with all the new rules to abide by, we have to do it
this way for this release until a new process is built."

...Which I think adds important value to that first quote. It sounds
like it isn't so much SOX stopping them from being sent out as it meant
the process has to be changed.

--
Robin.

Australian Bridal Accessories :=http://www.bridalbuzz.com.au
Turbo for Noobs (a work in progress) :=http://turbofornoobs.blogspot.com/

No Sorry I don't concur with your conclusion now Ive reread the post
and refreshed my memory ( That I was sure wasn't failing
totally Smile) ).
In that post you get :-

Quote:
However with this release they have to still be processed manually one by one in a finance dept due to
some kind of SOX accounting compliance thing

Suggests that had the 'SOX accounting compilance thing' not been
required that SA would have been delivered quicker. That is at odds
with what people are now been told. Namely that SA causes no problems
in regards SOX/Revenue recognition.

Then further down :-

Quote:
We do plan to automate this for future releases, our goal is to be able to push a button and release all
the SA's at once just like eCommerce pre-orders - but with all the new rules
to abide by, we have to do it this way for this release until a new process is built.

So E Commerce Pre Orders could be sent out all at Once But not SA
which we are now been told have no SOX/revenue compliance issues ?
Surely if there is no issue with SA orders and the E Commerce Pre-
Orders had to be processed for payment there would be more issues with
processing them and rules to follow as New revenue to be recognised ?
Yet this part of post again infers that all the new rules to abide by
means they had to stick to the manual one by one process for SA.

Seems somewhat contradictory to me.
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