BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Indy 10 on the way for C++Builder?          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> C++ Builder (Internet Socket) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message mr_organic Guest Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 9:12 pm    Post subject: Indy 10 on the way for C++Builder? Is there any movement on getting the newest version of Indy ready for use in C++Builder? It's been a *long* time now. Is it really that difficult to make the new Indy work in C++Builder? Or is the holdup more related to a lack of manpower? mr_organic Back to top Remy Lebeau (TeamB) Guest Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 9:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Indy 10 on the way for C++Builder? "mr_organic" <mr_organic (AT) yourmamashouse (DOT) com> wrote in message news:44da0979$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: Is there any movement on getting the newest version of Indy ready for use in C++Builder? Not lately. Quote: is the holdup more related to a lack of manpower? Yes. As I've said numerous times before, I am the only person who works on C++ support, but I do not have a lot of time lately to work on it. Besides that, I did already write some installation files for myself that worked, but that was before I then started making a lot of changes to my local copy of Indy 10 for other things. I do not have a compilable version of Indy 10 right now to test with. And I have not gotten around to downloading the official snapshot to test with. Gambit Back to top David Dean Guest Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 9:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Indy 10 on the way for C++Builder? In article <44da0979$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com>, "mr_organic" <mr_organic (AT) yourmamashouse (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: Or is the holdup more related to a lack of manpower? IIRC, Gambit has said that lack of manpower was a significant factor, but there were other issues as well. -- -David Quis custodiet custodes ipsos? Back to top mr_organic Guest Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 11:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Indy 10 on the way for C++Builder? "Remy Lebeau \(TeamB\)" <no.spam (AT) no (DOT) spam.com> wrote in news:44da0d42$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com: Quote: SNIP Yes. As I've said numerous times before, I am the only person who works on C++ support, but I do not have a lot of time lately to work on it. Besides that, I did already write some installation files for myself that worked, but that was before I then started making a lot of changes to my local copy of Indy 10 for other things. I do not have a compilable version of Indy 10 right now to test with. And I have not gotten around to downloading the official snapshot to test with. Gambit Since Borland (or, now, DevCo) is pretty much "officially" using Indy as their networking component suite, is it possible to request that they lend a hand on C++Builder support? mr_organic Back to top Remy Lebeau (TeamB) Guest Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 8:10 am    Post subject: Re: Indy 10 on the way for C++Builder? "Paul at NCF" <not plmacca (AT) clara (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message news:44dad820$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: How many people work on the Indy project overall Indy is open source, so there is no way to track the unregistered contributors. But there are several dozen people currently registered as actually being Indy team members, but only a handful of them are (noticably) active in development and/or administration. Quote: is there a reason why you are the only one that does the C++ support? Because everyone else is either Delphi or C#. In fact, being C++ is primarily what got me onto the Indy team in the first place. If there are other C++ members on the team, they don't step forward very much. Gambit Back to top Paul at NCF Guest Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 8:10 am    Post subject: Re: Indy 10 on the way for C++Builder? Hi Remy, How many people work on the Indy project overall, and is there a reason why you are the only one that does the C++ support? Paul "Remy Lebeau (TeamB)" <no.spam (AT) no (DOT) spam.com> wrote in message news:44da0d42$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: Yes. As I've said numerous times before, I am the only person who works on C++ support, but I do not have a lot of time lately to work on it. Besides Back to top Peter Evans Guest Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Indy 10 on the way for C++Builder? Have just got back into Borland's NGs. This Indy 10 problem in BCB (6Pro in my case) is still with us after more than a year. I note from the replies in this thread and those in the 21aug by Vlad that Remy is the only person working in this area. This prompts me to ask whether, or not, any of us can help, and if so, how? My experience is systems and programming, including comms, in different flavours over some 40 years. I am retired and really quite committed writing web support software using my C++ SDK, but if there were a small part in a coordinated plan I could do, I would try to find the time. Of course there are real problems in organising a division of support for an integrated project, but _if_ we _could_ advance Indy 10 to a working release, then a lot of people would be really pleased - me for one! Best regards, and thanks to Remy for all the support he gives. Peter Evans. "Remy Lebeau (TeamB)" <no.spam (AT) no (DOT) spam.com> wrote in message news:44dae743$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: "Paul at NCF" <not plmacca (AT) clara (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message news:44dad820$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... How many people work on the Indy project overall Indy is open source, so there is no way to track the unregistered contributors. But there are several dozen people currently registered as actually being Indy team members, but only a handful of them are (noticably) active in development and/or administration. is there a reason why you are the only one that does the C++ support? Because everyone else is either Delphi or C#. In fact, being C++ is primarily what got me onto the Indy team in the first place. If there are other C++ members on the team, they don't step forward very much. Gambit Back to top Remy Lebeau (TeamB) Guest Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:24 am    Post subject: Re: Indy 10 on the way for C++Builder? "Peter Evans" <peter-evans (AT) pelcaro (DOT) com> wrote in message news:45084d23 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: Have just got back into Borland's NGs. This Indy 10 problem in BCB (6Pro in my case) is still with us after more than a year. I note from the replies in this thread and those in the 21aug by Vlad that Remy is the only person working in this area. This prompts me to ask whether, or not, any of us can help, and if so, how? Indy is open source. Anyone can contribute to it. The two biggest problem areas are: 1) lack of suitable installation support for C++. At one time, I was able to adapt the install scripts from Indy 9 to work with Indy 10. But I never got the chance to release them. I have since moved on to making a ton of other (unrelated) architectural changes to Indy 10 to address other issues, so I have yet to get back to a compilable state again. I want to try compiling the current snapshot as-is, without all of my changes in place, but don't have much time to get around to it lately. 2) making sure all of the interfaces work in C++. For example, I just recently had to change the interface design for the TIdHash classes slightly because they were using Delphi features that don't work in C++. Specifically, they were returning arrays as their return values, which is something the C++ compiler will not allow, so the Delphi compiler produces the wrong function signatures when generating the C++ header files for the classes. Gambit Back to top Peter Evans Guest Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 3:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Indy 10 on the way for C++Builder? Thanks, Remy for that explanation. Hmm! Not so obvious, as could be expected, of course. Have just bought BDS2006 upgd for BCB6, (£ouch! - personal purchase). Is there a way of having this and BCB6 installed on the same PC? Could I install BCB on one drive and BDS on another, so keeping the Borland directories apart? (I want to continue to service my BCB6 - NM internet products _and_ start to get to grips with Indy in BDS.) Sorry, yet another and possibly daft, question but can I have _both_ Indy9 and Indy10 on the same PC using BDS? (Different drives again?) I would like to follow up your hint about looking at the Indy10 components(that interest me) - comparing them with those in Indy 9 to find out how things work. (I haven't used Indy at all yet!) Best regards, Peter Evans. "Remy Lebeau (TeamB)" <no.spam (AT) no (DOT) spam.com> wrote in message news:45085b6f (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: "Peter Evans" <peter-evans (AT) pelcaro (DOT) com> wrote in message news:45084d23 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Have just got back into Borland's NGs. This Indy 10 problem in BCB (6Pro in my case) is still with us after more than a year. I note from the replies in this thread and those in the 21aug by Vlad that Remy is the only person working in this area. This prompts me to ask whether, or not, any of us can help, and if so, how? Indy is open source. Anyone can contribute to it. The two biggest problem areas are: 1) lack of suitable installation support for C++. At one time, I was able to adapt the install scripts from Indy 9 to work with Indy 10. But I never got the chance to release them. I have since moved on to making a ton of other (unrelated) architectural changes to Indy 10 to address other issues, so I have yet to get back to a compilable state again. I want to try compiling the current snapshot as-is, without all of my changes in place, but don't have much time to get around to it lately. 2) making sure all of the interfaces work in C++. For example, I just recently had to change the interface design for the TIdHash classes slightly because they were using Delphi features that don't work in C++. Specifically, they were returning arrays as their return values, which is something the C++ compiler will not allow, so the Delphi compiler produces the wrong function signatures when generating the C++ header files for the classes. Gambit Back to top Remy Lebeau (TeamB) Guest Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:27 am    Post subject: Re: Indy 10 on the way for C++Builder? "Peter Evans" <peter-evans (AT) pelcaro (DOT) com> wrote in message news:450a7af3$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: Have just bought BDS2006 upgd for BCB6, (£ouch! - personal purchase). Is there a way of having this and BCB6 installed on the same PC? Yes. Each version has always installed itself to a different folder by default. Quote: Could I install BCB on one drive and BDS on another, so keeping the Borland directories apart? Borland already separates its directories by default. Quote: can I have _both_ Indy9 and Indy10 on the same PC using BDS? It is technically possible, but I do not have those details onhand, though I would not recommend it in general anyway, just to avoid conflicts. Gambit Back to top Peter Evans Guest Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 2:29 am    Post subject: Re: Indy 10 on the way for C++Builder? Thank you, Remy. Best regards, Peter Evans. "Remy Lebeau (TeamB)" <no.spam (AT) no (DOT) spam.com> wrote in message news:450b00c2$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: "Peter Evans" <peter-evans (AT) pelcaro (DOT) com> wrote in message news:450a7af3$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Have just bought BDS2006 upgd for BCB6, (£ouch! - personal purchase). Is there a way of having this and BCB6 installed on the same PC? Yes. Each version has always installed itself to a different folder by default. Could I install BCB on one drive and BDS on another, so keeping the Borland directories apart? Borland already separates its directories by default. can I have _both_ Indy9 and Indy10 on the same PC using BDS? It is technically possible, but I do not have those details onhand, though I would not recommend it in general anyway, just to avoid conflicts. 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